I don't answer to you, quitter. I've already succeeded and you've already failed without even trying. I will always be superior to you and you will never have the ability to judge me in any way. I am the judge here.
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I don't answer to you, quitter. I've already succeeded and you've already failed without even trying. I will always be superior to you and you will never have the ability to judge me in any way. I am the judge here.
Brett
Well ... at least he can say he's not workin' @ Burger King, yea-as ... ???
A4s, is that you, second from the right?
Amen, except you forgot to add "bitch" to the end of that post.
Actually, he's holding the camera. He prefers to watch.
<cold chill fills the room>
He's standing right behind me right now, isn't he...
Ionmeister
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You've entered a den of wolves my friend. You have been given an opportunity that few in this country have the priviledge of fulfilling. Most people would "kill" to be in your shoes. I am one of those. I am studying my "rear end off" to make what is already a reality for you, a reality for me (Aviator). The previous post couldnt have said it better, questions of concern and information are to be asked prior to the fact. All things considered, from my knowledge of officer contracts you are required to fulfill your promise or else you will get two years as enlisted. You are on a BDCP contract which might have other stipulations or loop holes. Im not too familiar with BDCP contracts because they dont pertain to me (ask your OR and read every piece of literature written on BDCP contracts possibly even starting with a google search of BDCP). I myself am a "noob" (newbee-if thats the correct spelling). These aviators are here to give you advice and guide you step by step. The way I see it, if you have any doubt don't step foot inside that cockpit, ever. All this to say take this opportunity and respect yourself by making good on the oath you undertook. Like I told my buddy who serves, man up, make good on your commitment, and at that point if you want out, walk out with your head held high. (hope this gives some sorta perspective)
You've entered a den of wolves my friend. You have been given an opportunity that few in this country have the priviledge of fulfilling. Most people would "kill" to be in your shoes. I am one of those. I am studying my "rear end off" to make what is already a reality for you, a reality for me (Aviator). The previous post couldnt have said it better, questions of concern and information are to be asked prior to the fact. All things considered, from my knowledge of officer contracts you are required to fulfill your promise or else you will get two years as enlisted. You are on a BDCP contract which might have other stipulations or loop holes. Im not too familiar with BDCP contracts because they dont pertain to me (ask your OR and read every piece of literature written on BDCP contracts possibly even starting with a google search of BDCP). I myself am a "noob" (newbee-if thats the correct spelling). These aviators are here to give you advice and guide you step by step. The way I see it, if you have any doubt don't step foot inside that cockpit, ever. All this to say take this opportunity and respect yourself by making good on the oath you undertook. Like I told my buddy who serves, man up, make good on your commitment, and at that point if you want out, walk out with your head held high. (hope this gives some sorta perspective)
I still don't see how you made it through filling out the app, the SF86, all the references, testing, studying, digging up all the info you need, waiting months, signing a bunch of paperwork, faxing, standing in front of a flag with your recruiter and taking the oath, and finally reading all the stuff people get to do here on AW without wanting this enough to stick with BDCP...
So I still think it's a woman.
So I still think it's a woman.
Also to the OP, if you want a view from the outside looking in, I am busting my ass or have busted my ass the past 8 months to FINALLY get to the point of having the board look at my app in the next few weeks.
Let me tell you. I went and started work full-time after I graduated in 2007 at a company with which I did 3 summer internships with here in Colorado. I liked what I was doing at first, but after awhile of the SAME THING EVERYDAY, it got old. Quickly.
I got treated like shit at my previous company because I wasn't some engineer who had 10-15 years of satellite building experience. Those who actually treated me w/ some kind of respect saw this too. 2 years later, after layoffs were going around the company, I get a call on a monday morning on Jan. 26th, 2009 and lose my job.
I've been on unemployment since and IT BLOWS. The job market and economy suck and I've BARELY scraping by right now. If there is one thing, actually two things for sure, they are this:
1. I NEVER want to be in this situation again NOR do I want to work any type of "desk job." I want to do something bigger than myself, thats exciting, will be challenging physically, mentally, and leadership wise. When I approached the Navy table at a job fair in February 09, I had no idea that I would follow through this much and now I am PRAYING that I get accepted. Trust me, there is NOTHING in the civilian world job wise right now. Because the fact of the matter is you're going up against guys like me as well who already have experience (if I was still applying to civilian companies). I'm sure you're a smart guy, but you have been granted an 8 year (approx) job flying planes in the greatest military in the world and now you want to give that up for something else that IS NOT guaranteed. Do you not see what's wrong with that picture?
2. You have already been given the opportunity and been accepted AND got school paid for. I owe $100K in student loans. I wish I had heard about BDCP when I was going through undergrad.
I know you already have thought about it, but you haven't REALLY experienced the Navy. I would honestly weigh your options heavily. They've already been given to you by everyone else, so you need to do some more thinking and talking to your OR. The military isn't for everyone and only you really know if it is....but I would seriously heed the advice of the posters here who have given you advice up to this point. Whether you like it or not.
The bottomline is, you asked us our opinion and for advice on what we think you should do and we gave it to you. If you want to hear, "its gonna be okay and don't worry about it" then don't ask that here.
You asked us for our opinions, so you can't get mad or all butt hurt when its not exactly what you wanted to hear.
Let me tell you. I went and started work full-time after I graduated in 2007 at a company with which I did 3 summer internships with here in Colorado. I liked what I was doing at first, but after awhile of the SAME THING EVERYDAY, it got old. Quickly.
I got treated like shit at my previous company because I wasn't some engineer who had 10-15 years of satellite building experience. Those who actually treated me w/ some kind of respect saw this too. 2 years later, after layoffs were going around the company, I get a call on a monday morning on Jan. 26th, 2009 and lose my job.
I've been on unemployment since and IT BLOWS. The job market and economy suck and I've BARELY scraping by right now. If there is one thing, actually two things for sure, they are this:
1. I NEVER want to be in this situation again NOR do I want to work any type of "desk job." I want to do something bigger than myself, thats exciting, will be challenging physically, mentally, and leadership wise. When I approached the Navy table at a job fair in February 09, I had no idea that I would follow through this much and now I am PRAYING that I get accepted. Trust me, there is NOTHING in the civilian world job wise right now. Because the fact of the matter is you're going up against guys like me as well who already have experience (if I was still applying to civilian companies). I'm sure you're a smart guy, but you have been granted an 8 year (approx) job flying planes in the greatest military in the world and now you want to give that up for something else that IS NOT guaranteed. Do you not see what's wrong with that picture?
2. You have already been given the opportunity and been accepted AND got school paid for. I owe $100K in student loans. I wish I had heard about BDCP when I was going through undergrad.
I know you already have thought about it, but you haven't REALLY experienced the Navy. I would honestly weigh your options heavily. They've already been given to you by everyone else, so you need to do some more thinking and talking to your OR. The military isn't for everyone and only you really know if it is....but I would seriously heed the advice of the posters here who have given you advice up to this point. Whether you like it or not.
The bottomline is, you asked us our opinion and for advice on what we think you should do and we gave it to you. If you want to hear, "its gonna be okay and don't worry about it" then don't ask that here.
You asked us for our opinions, so you can't get mad or all butt hurt when its not exactly what you wanted to hear.
nzachman
Yeah, well. The Dude abides.
Listen, many members of the forum are tearing you a new asshole, and it is quite well deserved. But what needs to be answered before you can be helped (if that is possible), is why do you really want to separate from the military. A girl? A better career? Fear of dying? What is it????
Extensive training and rigorous life is a completely BS excuse for quitting. There has to be something else, so what is it???
If you honestly answer that question, then someone may be able to guide you. Until then, you are fucked.....in the asshole.
If you are feeling this way then your only question should be: When do I leave for Great Lakes? You are an E-3 (probably) in the US Navy. If an E-3 in the fleet seven months into their contract decides they want to quit, they don't have the option of just paying back the salary and walking. What makes you any different?
Well... he almost quit... then he got a box of porn, and that got him through the rest of it.
Dude, how did you manage to talk yourself out of something about which you really have no clue? Are there pros and cons to being an active-duty military member? Absolutely. But you have no clue at all what they are or, most importantly, how they will affect you. Is OCS tough? Yep (at least it was before they moved it to Newport 
). But really, you're afraid to even try? Afraid of someone yelling at you? Making you work a little bit? Making you dig deep down to find out what you're really made of? Don't let what someone else tells you get you all worked up and frightened. I suggest that you keep your mouth shut for the time being, and find someone close to you who you think has led a meaningful life and talk to them about commitment, courage, and how to grow a pair. Then make a damn decision and be willing to stand up and accept the consequences like a man.
). But really, you're afraid to even try? Afraid of someone yelling at you? Making you work a little bit? Making you dig deep down to find out what you're really made of? Don't let what someone else tells you get you all worked up and frightened. I suggest that you keep your mouth shut for the time being, and find someone close to you who you think has led a meaningful life and talk to them about commitment, courage, and how to grow a pair. Then make a damn decision and be willing to stand up and accept the consequences like a man.
BUDU
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Agreed. At least about the first part. How the hell can you make it through the entire application process, swear in, sign the contract, and start getting BDCP checks without considering what you're getting into? I haven't even gotten my final select yet and I'm making damn sure this is what I want to do, because I know, same as you did, that once you sign the contract there is no going back.
Methinks if it be not a woman, perhaps a slip below 2.7 may loom on the horizon and he wants out before he has to go enlisted?
Hey, fat chicks need love too!
But seriously, it's been said countless times.
You came on here asking what you can do to drop your contract and go civilian. We told you there is no way you can do that. You got upset and defensive because we didn't give you the answer you wanted.
Sorry. You're a big boy now and have to live with the consequences of your actions. No one can bail you out of this. Great lakes or sack up for the greatest career you could ask for. Choose.
Well if that's the case, then it's a moot point. He can't drop out without going enlisted, so 2.7 or not, he's going enlisted if he gets out or doesn't meet the minimum GPA.
BUDU
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Well, he seems to want to get out completely, no enlisted, no officer, no nothing. That being the case, I was just thinking maybe he wants to get out before the GPA forces him to go enlisted anyway.
You're missing the point of all the posts in this thread. There IS NO WAY OUT. He either has to serve his contract, or go enlisted as per the contract.
If he fails to meet the minimum GPA or any of the other contract criteria agreed upon, he goes enlisted. Not out. Enlisted.
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