Rotary Wing Roundup (Helos at work in Maritime Environment)

[scoolbubba]

You guys really don't so a lot of ASW any more, go you? Especially coordinated ops ASW? It was common knowledge in my day. LAMPS = no hover drop. Dippers = hover drop.

Real world? Not so much. Sim...yes.

More than anything I just showed my ass. Oh well. We know the rough capabilities of the different helos, but how they prosecute and attack is left up to them, ie...one of the the alligators further away from the boat when you're still trying to learn how to fight your own platform.

 

[KBayDog]

And I'm not speaking for RW assets with FFWs, either.

My most sincere apologies, Joboy. When you said "I certainly can't speak for ASW, but in pretty much any other realm, helo will not be doing any sort of "attack" from a hover"", I took it at face value that you actually meant "any other realm." I did not realize that your statement included the "I'm not speaking for RW assets with FFWs" clause.

NO need to read between the lines and make assumptions about what I'm "saying". THAT is it.

Again, my apologies. I didn't realize I was reading between the lines when I quoted you verbatim.

 

[phrogpilot73]

Damn you KBay, beating me to it. I was going to point out the use of PGMs (TOW/HF) from the HH for skids.

What the hell are you doing up this early anyway?

 

[KBayDog]

What the hell are you doing up this early anyway?

I figured I'd get up early, run the O-Course a few times, say a few Ooh Rahs, and drink some Kool Aid. Yut yut!

BTW, don't assume Otto meant RW assets with FFWs. He didn't. You son of a bitch.

 

[BACONATOR]

My most sincere apologies, Joboy. When you said "I certainly can't speak for ASW, but in pretty much any other realm, helo will not be doing any sort of "attack" from a hover"", I took it at face value that you actually meant "any other realm." I did not realize that your statement included the "I'm not speaking for RW assets with FFWs" clause.



Again, my apologies. I didn't realize I was reading between the lines when I quoted you verbatim.

Well since we're being polite today, I'll apologize for not running my posts through a lawyer to ensure no one would take them out of context. I am a USN Naval aviator, and can speak to what my community does, as well as have an idea what other communities do (other community transition DH/CO/XO who've told sea stories about their legacy communities). I am not in the MC, and know nothing about their tactics, except possibly a hint as they apply to our mission sets. If I make a comment about "in all other cases", I'll try to narrow that down to the realm of what I might have an idea about. I apologize for not specifically excluding the Marine Corps. While we're at it, I can't speak for the Air Force, Coast Guard, Army, CAP, IDF or any other non USN service.

Fair? Feel better?

Smilies, of course.

 

[KBayDog]

Well since we're being polite today, I'll apologize for not running my posts through a lawyer to ensure no one would take them out of context.

When did you become a liberal?

Group hugs all around. After all, for those of us in the US and A, it's Monday.

 

[BACONATOR]

When did you become a liberal?

Group hugs all around. After all, for those of us in the US and A, it's Monday.

Case of the Mondays? Mine was spent all day FCFing... except this time the 12 hours was broken up, so I got to pee and stuff.

 

[IKE]

By the grace of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, may none of you have to deal with this:

MISAWA AIR BASE, Japan (March 23, 2011) Sailors assigned to Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS) 14 and Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Light (HSL) 51 wash the exterior of an SH-60 Sea Hawk helicopter assigned to HS-14 following an Operation Tomodachi humanitarian assistance mission. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Devon Dow/Released)

 

[Gatordev]

More than anything I just showed my ass. Oh well. We know the rough capabilities of the different helos, but how they prosecute and attack is left up to them, ie...one of the the alligators further away from the boat when you're still trying to learn how to fight your own platform.

Just try and not fly into our MAD bird. That seemed to be a favorite past time of Webmaster and his cronies at PMRF many years ago.

By the grace of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, may none of you have to deal with this:

MISAWA AIR BASE, Japan (March 23, 2011) Sailors assigned to Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS) 14 and Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Light (HSL) 51 wash the exterior of an SH-60 Sea Hawk helicopter assigned to HS-14 following an Operation Tomodachi humanitarian assistance mission. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Devon Dow/Released)

<Shudder>

 

[helolumpy]

Real world? Not so much. Sim...yes.

I will agree with the exception of the guys & gals in Japan. The helo folks out there are very "up" on their ASW. For the rest of the Navy it is an atrophied skill set.

 

[HAL Pilot]

I certainly can't speak for ASW, but in pretty much any other realm, helo will not be doing any sort of "attack" from a hover.

A dipping helo with hot contact always dropped from a hover and had the best pk with the Mk-46 due to it's ability to use the snake mode. (Before anyone yells "OPSEC", I did a google search and MK-46 seeker modes are public knowledge.)

Any bubblehead would tell you, next to another submarine it was a dipping helo he most feared.

We know the rough capabilities of the different helos, but how they prosecute and attack is left up to them, ie...one of the the alligators further away from the boat when you're still trying to learn how to fight your own platform.

Wow! We knew their tactics/capabilities almost as well as we knew ours. We had too since if a ship wasn't the on-scene commander, the P-3 was. And even if the ship was in charge, we still usually had direct control over the helo(s).

 

[Pags]

By the grace of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, may none of you have to deal with this:

MISAWA AIR BASE, Japan (March 23, 2011) Sailors assigned to Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS) 14 and Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Light (HSL) 51 wash the exterior of an SH-60 Sea Hawk helicopter assigned to HS-14 following an Operation Tomodachi humanitarian assistance mission. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Devon Dow/Released)

Did you guys fly in MOPP gear?

 

[scoolbubba]

A dipping helo with hot contact always dropped from a hover and had the best pk with the Mk-46 due to it's ability to use the snake mode. (Before anyone yells "OPSEC", I did a google search and MK-46 seeker modes are public knowledge.)

Any bubblehead would tell you, next to another submarine it was a dipping helo he most feared.

Wow! We knew their tactics/capabilities almost as well as we knew ours. We had too since if a ship wasn't the on-scene commander, the P-3 was. And even if the ship was in charge, we still usually had direct control over the helo(s).

I am far from a guru. Still working on that learning tactics thing. I'm sure websan, or any of our MC Taccos can talk your ears off about coord ops and SAC and all kinds of good stuff. Like I said, upgrading PPC=closest alligator to the boat right now.

 

[H60Gunner]

I am far from a guru. Still working on that learning tactics thing. I'm sure websan, or any of our MC Taccos can talk your ears off about coord ops and SAC and all kinds of good stuff. Like I said, upgrading PPC=closest alligator to the boat right now.

Pilots don't need to be ASW guru's. You have us for that!:icon_tong

In the H-60F the crazy A-dub in the back giving you crap can punch up an air plan, all you have to do is fly the FTP's. Magic! Ahhh how I loved spanking the shit out of submarines, H-60 or P-3 it was a blast!

 

[HAL Pilot]

I am far from a guru. Still working on that learning tactics thing. I'm sure websan, or any of our MC Taccos can talk your ears off about coord ops and SAC and all kinds of good stuff. Like I said, upgrading PPC=closest alligator to the boat right now.

That explains it. For some reason I thought you were done with your initial tour and back in VT land as an IP.