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Roger Ball, good and not-so-good questions about the world of "Paddles"

707guy

"You can't make this shit up..."

120918-N-FI736-230 ARABIAN SEA (Sept. 18, 2012) Lt. Brendon Kiely, a landing signal officer assigned to the Screwtops of Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 123, watches the landing of an F/A-18F Super Hornet from the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (CVN 65). Enterprise is deployed to the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility conducting maritime security operations, theater security cooperation efforts and support missions as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Scott Pittman/Released)
Isn't he technically fouling the landing area?
 

e6bflyer

Used to Care
pilot
Paddles owns the port foul line. AGO and yellow shirt up in the crotch own the starboard foul line. He'd be fouling his own foul line.
That's the lens line. The port foul line is partially (it's dirty) visible about 3 feet in front of him. I have never been on big E, on Nimitz carriers, the foul line pretty much abuts the LSO platform. Looks like a differnt setup. You can have things hanging over the lens line as long as they are not blocking the lens.
Agree with RLSO, Paddles owns the port foul line and they regularly hang their appendages over it while waving the deck. Seems to me if someone is off centerline, it is usually the starboard side that you are worried about anyway.
 

Recovering LSO

Suck Less
pilot
Contributor
That's the lens line. The port foul line is partially (it's dirty) visible about 3 feet in front of him. I have never been on big E, on Nimitz carriers, the foul line pretty much abuts the LSO platform. Looks like a differnt setup. You can have things hanging over the lens line as long as they are not blocking the lens.
Agree with RLSO, Paddles owns the port foul line and they regularly hang their appendages over it while waving the deck. Seems to me if someone is off centerline, it is usually the starboard side that you are worried about anyway.

Great catch on the two foul lines. The piece of yellow gear aft of the LSO should have given it away that we're looking at the Big E. Weird sight picture to wave from when you're used to Nimitz class setups. Strange burble on that ship as well.
 

707guy

"You can't make this shit up..."
That's the lens line. The port foul line is partially (it's dirty) visible about 3 feet in front of him. I have never been on big E, on Nimitz carriers, the foul line pretty much abuts the LSO platform. Looks like a differnt setup. You can have things hanging over the lens line as long as they are not blocking the lens.
Agree with RLSO, Paddles owns the port foul line and they regularly hang their appendages over it while waving the deck. Seems to me if someone is off centerline, it is usually the starboard side that you are worried about anyway.
Now that you mention it I see the other foul line. Good deal - thanks - always good to learn something new.
 

BusyBee604

St. Francis/Hugh Hefner Combo!
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
Weird sight picture to wave from when you're used to Nimitz class setups. Strange burble on that ship as well.
Just an amateur guess, but I would think that the "Big E's" huge square island is the cause of the unusual burble. I recall that, after experiencing numerous traps on each of the CV-59 v CV-63 classes (RANGER v CONNIE), the markedly different burbles due to the [much further aft] island location of the 2 CV-63/64s. Obviously, islands are not designed with aerodynamics as a priority. Unique 'burbles' have always been quite manageable.:)
C0NNIE '71.jpg
USS CONSTELLLATION above, note how far aft the island located (2 starboard elevators forward of island, 1 aft v 1 elevator forward, 2 aft on CV-59 class.
BzB
 

scoober78

(HCDAW)
pilot
Contributor
So, this sounds like a retarded question...but...

FCLPing here in the land of Oz and am consistently missing cut lights from the 45 to the start. No idea why as I have no problem seeing anything else on the lens including the ball...anyone ever had this problem? Possible solutions? Getting tired of getting chaching-ed for this as I would be more than happy to not make a ball call periodically.
 

Recovering LSO

Suck Less
pilot
Contributor
Are they giving you cut lights in lieu of you calling the ball? That must be a "new" (w/in last eleven years) development. Or are they giving you cut lights every once in a while to see if you're paying attention? The cut lights, when activated for the purposes of "roger ball" should be on for approximately two to three potatoes (about as long as it takes to say "roger ball"). This should be long enough to see them, but obviously you're having a bit of a hard time with it.

Only suggestion is just to anticipate seeing them so it's something you're actively scanning for.

Technique only: at the field, between the lens and the VV, you can get a pretty good idea where you're going to be at the start. I do not suggest you begin flying the ball at the 45...! I simply suggest that if you're not bringing the ball into your scan by that point, perhaps you should consider it.

At the ship you're going to want to do this because it can serve as very good gouge for where you're at (and with VV, where you're going). At the boat you'll want to see the ball as a slight sagger (only in the T-45 with weirdo roll angle due to flat H/E and approach attitude). In any other airplane you bring aboard the ship you'll be looking for a ball or two high at the 45 which will indicate on glideslope - again this has to do with lens roll angles.

Disclaimer: Do whatever your instructor LSO tells you to - they are bronzed gods and don't get paid enough.
 

scoober78

(HCDAW)
pilot
Contributor
Thanks Paddles...it's being given in lieu of ball call periodically to see if we are paying attention...usually somewhere between the 45 and the start.

As to the technique stuff...I'm trying to integrate the ball as soon as it's visible into my scan...obviously not solely at that point, but it seems to work as a good "add on" to the additional visual cues as to where the hell you are...especially at night it seems.

It's coming along...really, this is the only real procedural thing I have going on. The ball flying is a work in progress...have some really solid sessions and some "others". Might be happier if I could just average them out but... Still for my experience (or lack there of) level I'm not too displeased and am hovering just north of a3.0...Just trying to fix this!!
 
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