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Road to 350: What Does the US Navy Do Anyway?

squorch2

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White men are 80% of USN aviators, 58% of USN officers, and 31% of the US population
 

UInavy

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But I have also seen the nasty head of the diversity industry rear its head with increasing regularity within the service and upon the minds of senior leadership, i.e. O6 and above. When I am told that I cannot get higher than a 3.0 on certain blocks of my FITREP because I'm a white male or a group of senior O6s open a mandatory diversity training event with the line "We need fewer white men in the Navy," then I am left to ponder whether we're really going the right direction. When senior admirals like Christopher Grady and Michael Gilday testify to Congress that Diversity and Inclusion are their top priorities while I see the portion of the Navy's budget that I manage shrink every FY, then I start to wonder whether or not we're making the best decisions of where to spend our time and money. @UInavy if you really want answers to your original questions, you can dig through the annual budgets that get sent to Congress and are a matter of public record. It may be broken out by line item, but will likely just be included as generic training budgets. Either way, I am concerned by the fact that we seem to want to focus more on what makes us different than on the commonalities we share and the common love of country we have. YMMV.
If your ability to defend your argument that there is some connection between diversity training and warfighting readiness and training relies on telling me to go look up the answers for you- I'm a hard pass. The rest of your statement is a bunch of non-factually supported suppositions without any basis in reality or any quantifiable impact in the Fleet. Parroting salamander lines is no way to go through life.
 

wink

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White men are 80% of USN aviators, 58% of USN officers, and 31% of the US population
So what. Fifty six percent of college graduates are Asian-Americans when they are just 5.4% of the population. Whites are 61% of the population and just 35% are college grads. Meanwhile 76% of all nail salons in the US is owned by an Asian-American. All meaningless stats without far more analysis.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
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So what. Fifty six percent of college graduates are Asian-Americans when they are just 5.4% of the population. Whites are 61% of the population and just 35% are college grads. Meanwhile 76% of all nail salons in the US is owned by an Asian-American. All meaningless stats without far more analysis.
I don't think those are totally meaningless, nor were his. His point to the fact that relative to the US population, white males are overrepresented in Naval Aviation. You could say the same about nail salons and college graduates with Asians if your stats are also true. Is there more to the story? Yeah, but it's a good place to start asking "Why is that?"

Nonetheless, let's not start this conversation in a thread about a bigger fleet.
 

Randy Daytona

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Me! Me! I know teacher. I know! FREEEE STUFF!

As a retired naval officer, I want a bigger fleet.

As a taxpayer, I look at how the Navy spent my tax dollars. $35 billion for 40 marginally capable LCS’s. Another $35 billion - enough to buy 2 Nimitz carriers. their air wings, and the escort vessels - and the Navy instead purchased 3 Zumwalt cruisers. Speaking of carriers, the Navy decides go with a new carrier that is plagued by cost overruns and delays.

The Navy was given funding but the results were less than optimal.
 

AllAmerican75

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Did this actually happen to you, and if so did you submit a statement?
Yes, and no, as I was told that was standard Navy policy and couldn't be helped. As an Ensign, how was I supposed to know better? I wasn't in a position nor did I have the desire to buck the trend and fight the CO who I was trying to convince to give me a SWO pin.
 

UInavy

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Yes, and no, as I was told that was standard Navy policy and couldn't be helped. As an Ensign, how was I supposed to know better? I wasn't in a position nor did I have the desire to buck the trend and fight the CO who I was trying to convince to give me a SWO pin.
Were you specifically told it was standard Navy policy to give white males a 3.0? Or, were you told that it was standard policy to give a 3.0 in that category, at your rank/time aboard so that they could mark you higher in other categories, such as 'Tactical Performance' while managing RSCA?
 

Spekkio

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As an Ensign, how was I supposed to know better?
If something sounds retarded and wrong, it is. This principle knows no rank. If someone was able to convince you that the Navy as an organization would rate you lower because you are white, you have some self-introspection to do.
 

Brett327

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I was commenting on the fact that a 500 ship Navy is a pipedream given the current political climate. Nothing more, nothing less. Seems to me you're the one spoiling for a fight. I'll go ahead and end it here: You won the argument. Congratulations.
I accept your terms. :D
 

Brett327

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Yes, and no, as I was told that was standard Navy policy and couldn't be helped. As an Ensign, how was I supposed to know better? I wasn't in a position nor did I have the desire to buck the trend and fight the CO who I was trying to convince to give me a SWO pin.
So, to be clear, you've taken an alleged statement from your CO that you know was hyperbole at best, but ultimately complete BS - surely you've figured that part out by now - yet you've clumsily deployed it as an example of a "hopelessly WOKE Navy" that is really just part of an imagined reality that doesn't actually exist. Please, tell us more about your opinions on other matters!
 

Flash

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Yes, and no, as I was told that was standard Navy policy and couldn't be helped. As an Ensign, how was I supposed to know better? I wasn't in a position nor did I have the desire to buck the trend and fight the CO who I was trying to convince to give me a SWO pin.

Was the Navy 'woke' that far back? :D Seriously, that block along with one or two others was almost always 3.0 for everyone IIRC.

BTW, I looked up the whole 500 ship Navy proposal and the numbers aren't anywhere near as impressive as they would seem at first blush as they only plus up 'regular' ship numbers a little bit but add 150 unmanned ships to the total. No detail on those unmanned 'ships', like size or capabilities.
 
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