Will fly for food.
You joke, but the P-8 is nothing less than Gucci. What are some examples of the differences between -31 and -30?
This. Navs get a grand total of 7 flights before they graduate.To piggyback on what PropStop said, there's been a growing disappointment with the product that VP-30 produces. You really don't get many flights in the P-3 to feel comfortable by the time you leave and even then you may have SERE plus all the travel time before you check in to your fleet squadron. Not only that, when I was at -30 there were several occasions during the actual syllabus where I had an entire week off of not being scheduled. Great when you're a young, single JO but not great when you're trying to learn an entirely new aircraft, especially as complicated as the P-3. I know the aircraft issues are what are really restricting us, plus with the P-8A coming online shortly (got to tour it several times, what a beautiful jet) they're not willing to put much into the P-3 anymore. It feels almost lame duck except for the fact that we have a job to do.
This is true - in our community, stick skills are secondary. There is value, I believe, in doing other things outside the plane. As much as I hated being sent to Japan, I did learn a lot about the big navy and my "expertise" in the plane was directly injected into the tactics developed for several plans. I'd like to think that my operational experience and input made the plans better - certainly a lot of people bought off on the plans... If you don't have people who have operated going to fill jobs developing plans, policy, and strategy, then you're going to get crappy plans, poor policy, and ineffective strategies. You wouldn't want me as a P-3 guy planning TacAir missions, and you don't want a TacAir guy planning ASW, or a SWO planning anything.Some of us older guys have said it often before, but it's worth keeping in mind: it doesn't matter how good you are in the plane. Sure, it doesn't hurt to be a good stick or tactically proficient, but it is far from the most important factor. And in some communities, some of the "best" qualifications are reserved for the chosen ones, so they won't always be a good indicator of which guy is the best in the cockpit (or tube, as the case may be).
From my perspective, very little when it came to actually teaching or the syllabus. The big difference was the mind set or attitude. The west coast & VP-31 were much more laid back and had a "let's kick ass but let's have fun while doing it" where the east coast & VP-30 were more SWOish. It's hard to quantify but if you weren't having fun out west, you weren't doing it right where as if you were having fun on the east, you were being questionsed about what you were doing....What are some examples of the differences between -31 and -30?
He's spot on... identifying a lot of things we've all thought and packaging them in one place.http://p3reform.wordpress.com/2011/07/10/vp-30-sucks-and-heres-why/
This might be a repost...?... Found a link to this on a buddy's FB page. Interesting observations. I'll leave it to the resident P3 dudes to flame spray him or endorse his thoughts, but it did get me thinking... Why do P3 dudes have big ass patches that say "FRS Instructor" ? No other community has such a monstrosity of a patch or apparently screens folks for command when detailing them to their first shore tours...?
BTW, there are some great rant's on that website! Very curious to see what the prop dudes around here think of 'em.
I agree, and that kind of thing is hard to quantify.The big difference was the mind set or attitude.
This already exists. It's called "the Reserves," or if you don't have a job on the outside, it's called "FTS" or "TAR" if you habla.I'd still like to see a program that allows officers to stay in the plane for as long as they would like, achieving a level of expertise not seen today. This is how they do it in Australia...
they were always going to have to. its been posted here before, but you can not start an active duty squadron with just a bunch of senior dudes. there may have been some rumors going around to the contrary, i suspect it was just some dudes trying to puff themselves up a bit.One of the other students that's slightly ahead of me in VT-3 posted on Facebook that she originally selected P-3s and I just saw a post that she was going to be going P-8s as an Ensign. Looks like they're kicking it off with the JOs now as well.