Small world, indeed. And he was w/ Peter-the-Beautiful in VF-114 when they bagged their MiG, Summer of '72 (didn't they make that into a movie ?? ) ... I just didn't know he made it so 'big' in the NAV, however ...... and the memories come flooding back ... Fast forward 25 years and I was talking to Mike McCabe (MiG killer in Vietnam, then a Captain and CAG-14 and later three-stars and 3rd Fleet) about it during a conversation. He said..."Yeah. That guy who was the ringer..... that was ME!" Small world sometimes.