Wings are pretty much the only warfare device that is given upon completion of a formal school instead of a PQS done at the fleet level. Others I can think of that require a PQS are SWO, Dolphins, ESWS and EAWS. There was talk of not giving aircrew their wings until they finished a PQS at the squadron vice out of the RAG. Not sure what happened to that.
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New wings approved for AMDO/Aviation LDO/CWOs
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Wings are pretty much the only warfare device that is given upon completion of a formal school instead of a PQS done at the fleet level. Others I can think of that require a PQS are SWO, Dolphins, ESWS and EAWS. There was talk of not giving aircrew their wings until they finished a PQS at the squadron vice out of the RAG. Not sure what happened to that.
I agree, seeing an AMDO with some sort of wings doesn't seem as ridiculous as a JG that attrited from the FRS wearing NA wings.
If you can't fly for any reason other then medical the wings should no longer be worn.
What about when you're on DIFDEN post DH and there aren't flying orders available?
What about a lat transfer to another community, say later in a career?
This is no different than the Navy. I cannot tell you how many Ensign's I have seen running around with 4 ribbons or more months out of the Academy or ROTC. Same goes for a lot of the E-3's in the Navy.
About the ONLY branch I do not see this is the Marine Corps.
I blame it on the supply weenies. They started this madness with all their different devices. "Oh....I'm a SWOchop....and a SUBchop...yup, I'm an AIRchop too!" This made the medical guys feel inadequate and follow suit, and it expanded from there.
You're fucking support. If you want to be anything else, redesignate URL.
You're fucking support. If you want to be anything else, redesignate URL.
Sure, didn't think of that one. What I should have said is: if you're no longer flying for a performance related issue then you shouldn't be wearing wings.
Bullshit. The provision is there if you are FNAEBed due to "bringing disgrace upon naval aviation" or "willful violation of rules and regulations." So if you're an idiot, they're gone anyway. Why kick someone in the nuts unnecessarily? How about two guys who attrite out of tailhook land because they can't fly the ball well enough. One gets a lat transfer to P-3s, but the other's year group is overmanned, and gets sent to be an Intel O. Why should guy #2 lose his wings when he did no worse than guy #1?
I think with all the senior leadership eyeballs on the case of anyone who gets FNAEBed, they can be trusted to decide whether someone who attrites deserves A(3), B(1) or B(2). If you're that worried about people earning wings who can't measure up, attrite 'em before they get 'em.
Not me! All my buds from school who went marine ground who have some chest candy saw a pic from my winging and started calling me Uno since I've still got a single lonely ribbon.
Why would guy #2 want to wear his wings? So he can explain to folks the rest of his career why he's not flying? The dude should move on embrace being an INTEL O.
Did these fellas who went Marine ground spend two years in flight school?
My point is that I have seen several LTJG's or ENS's sporting 4/5 ribbons and have yet to even get into the fleet. Kind of a lot of chest candy for never being operational IMO.
MasterBates
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When I winged, I had 1 medal/ribbon.. NDSM for being in on 9/11. That was it.
Heck, I did not even have a full row of ribbons until I was almost done with my first fleet tour.
Heck, I did not even have a full row of ribbons until I was almost done with my first fleet tour.
Because he earned them. Because people with many stars on their collars, more hours than God, and who have worn those same wings since before he was born had his wings on the chopping block, and chose not to take them. I'd trust their judgement. In fact, I already did.
A FNAEB is already a uniquely humiliating experience at best. More so than attriting out of flight school, I would think, just due to the drawn-out nature of the thing. I wouldn't wish one on my worst enemy. That said, it's one of the fairest processes I've seen in my career by the time all is said and done. Pulling someone's wings for doing no more than busting their ass to the limit of their capabilities is adding insult to injury. They apparently proved they had what it takes, or why did they get winged in the first place? Maybe the vagaries of the personnel system just put them in the wrong aircraft. I bet there are winged helo guys out there who might not be able to take a trap, and winged fixed-wing guys who might not be able to hover.
Bottom line is, you can bite off a FNAEB if you're a solid guy or girl whose best isn't good enough. You can also get one for booming over your hometown airport at 50 feet and 500 knots. I think the former deserve not to be lumped in with the latter in the end.
No, they didn't. They spent 13 months in Iraq. It's said very much tongue in cheek.