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Recovering LSO

Suck Less
pilot
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http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/03/navy-wellness-initiative-test-alcohol-drugs-030512/

The breathalyzers for Duty Sections: Is this a problem somewhere (legit question, no sarcasm intended)? Do we have a problem with people showing up for work drunk? What's the BAC limit for showing up to work? Obviously something below .08, but is it a .00 requirement? The part that is a bit vague and a little concerning is the "random" nature of future tests. Are we talking about having to blow to get back across the brow after in-port liberty?

The addition of more mandatory motorcycle training is a head scratcher. How much more training can you create before you realize that many (don't have stats to back this up, just my experience) motorcycle accidents involve people who've blown off the training, are riding someone else's bike, or just haven't gotten into a class yet? Further - riding a bike in inherently dangerous - no matter how bad ass and savy you think you are - there are shitty car drivers out there trying to hit you. If we want to eliminate motorcycle mishaps - outlaw motorcycles - or accept that sometimes shit happens. Callous? Maybe. But its a reality.

Any alcohol related incident must be properly reviewed before the officer can be promoted. What will a proper review consist of? One man's alcohol incident is a good Thailand admin story for another.

It will be interesting to see if the normalization of tobacco prices has any impact on sales. But why are we just singling out tobacco? Maybe normalizing the price of alcohol would help to curb the problem of drunk sailors assaulting each other before riding their motorcycles to work and being drunk on duty?

Big fan of figuring a better way to get civilian equivalent certificates for our sailor's training - especially as we invent new ways to make them civilians.
 

fc2spyguy

loving my warm and comfy 214 blanket
pilot
Contributor
Huh, it should be left to the leaders imo. If someone appears f'd up then fix their ass on the spot. Extra duty and scrubbing the freaking urinals not working? Then go for fit for duty screening and take a damn pay grade. This kind of stuff is quickly making me lose faith in the this institution.
 

Brett327

Well-Known Member
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What a bunch of drivel, along with his green initiatives. Hopefully, most of this stuff will be forgotten about as soon as his speech is over and will never hit the fleet. Brethalyzers for duty section? Completely insane and certainly won't happen on my watch. Nothing builds trust and respect in a command then demanding that your troopers blow into a tube before work. Don't we already have a zero tolerance policy for DUI? What universe is SECNAV (and his staff) living in? I don't even want to give this article justice by addressing each of the ridiculous points.

Brett
 

SynixMan

HKG Based Artificial Excrement Pilot
pilot
Contributor
Here's hoping the new food options are actually healthy. Galley options I've seen for "healthy" rarely extend beyond the lettuce.
 

exNavyOffRec

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I have seen this before a buddy of mine had a CO do this, I believe he got away with it because there was no punitive action taken if the person blew something other than .00 but they couldn't stand watch. I believe this should be an issue for the duty section CPO, if the guy appears unable to stand watch then just fix the problem.
 

KilroyUSN

Prior EM1(SS) - LTJG - VP P-8 NFO COTAC
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My boat instituted this for about 6 months before I left the command. You blew at duty section turn over and before you took the watch, even if it was for the third time that day. You would think we had problems on board, but to my knowledge we had no intoxicated incidences, including no DUI's in over two years. They were still doing it when I left.
 

fc2spyguy

loving my warm and comfy 214 blanket
pilot
Contributor
My boat instituted this for about 6 months before I left the command. You blew at duty section turn over and before you took the watch, even if it was for the third time that day. You would think we had problems on board, but to my knowledge we had no intoxicated incidences, including no DUI's in over two years. They were still doing it when I left.
Holy crap, that's just ridiculous. I swear, the lengths some people go to hamstring their leadership is unbelievable.
 

exNavyOffRec

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Establishment of a Diversity Officer?

Is that going to be like the political officer in Red October only for making sure things are PC?

NRC already has a shop that goes to different NRD's to help them increase their diversity numbers, in other words for the NRD's that aren't meeting their diversity goal they "help them".

Here is a good one though, in order to help find AA qualified candidates they go to schools and setup a basketball hoop game, talk about stereotyping.
 

Recovering LSO

Suck Less
pilot
Contributor
My boat instituted this for about 6 months before I left the command. You blew at duty section turn over and before you took the watch, even if it was for the third time that day. You would think we had problems on board, but to my knowledge we had no intoxicated incidences, including no DUI's in over two years. They were still doing it when I left.

That's one of the most insulting things I've heard of in a long time. I would suppose the CMC and Goat Locker gave the front office quite a bit of push back on this one (or at least they should have)....
 

jtmedli

Well-Known Member
pilot
My boat instituted this for about 6 months before I left the command. You blew at duty section turn over and before you took the watch, even if it was for the third time that day. You would think we had problems on board, but to my knowledge we had no intoxicated incidences, including no DUI's in over two years. They were still doing it when I left.

That is absolutely fucking absurd. Last time I checked, I was a commissioned officer in the USN and, if they can't trust me to show up sober to stand watch or fly, then we have some problems.

And more motorcycle crap? I'm starting to think they just want to make that stuff so much of an ass-pain that no-one is willing to deal with it and sells their bikes.

The SECNAV is completely over the line with this crap. I realize it's the military, but there's definitely still such a thing as "going too far".
 

ea6bflyr

Working Class Bum
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Here's hoping the new food options are actually healthy. Galley options I've seen for "healthy" rarely extend beyond the lettuce.

The CS rating needs to revert back to MS. Microwave Specialist. Everything made on the boat nowadays is pre-prepared, except for maybe the occasional One-eyed Jack or the famous Barney Clark. Ding, dinner is ready.

-ea6bflyr ;)
 
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