Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
The fact that 2/3 of a senior enlisted, junior officer, and mid-grade officer can ever come to this conclusion makes me weep for our future.
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Navy Reserve COVID Vaccinations by October
- Thread starter snake020
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Contracts can be modified but changing the scope of the work will require extra money to do the additional tasks. Also many of these doses have probably left the control of Pfizer so someone else would have to do it. But we're probably talking about MILLIONS of stickers (probably one for the bottle and one for the box too?) so it's not just a few extra minutes of someones time. As you likely know as a CTR, CTR folks can't do charge to the contract for work not stipulated by said contract. And then it'd be on Pfizer to do it out of their overhead.
It's also highly probable that several logical and completely sane individuals decided "why bother to relabel them? Why would that matter?" But since they were logical and sane they missed all the batshit reasons
You mean like the people who still believe it came from a wet market?
Covid-19 Vaccines and Myocarditis Link Probed by Researchers
Several theories are under investigation by researchers seeking to explain heart-inflammation conditions among small numbers of vaccinated people.
www.wsj.com
Phrased another way, this title reads “Researchers Still Probing Links Between Covid-19 Vaccines and Myocarditis.”
Ergo, researchers still don’t know why these novel mRNA shots are causing statistically observable numbers of heart inflammation conditions.
Ergo, organizations are mandating shots that the medical world admits they don’t really have a good handle on understanding the short term (let alone long term) health side effects.
White wash it all you want, and vaccine-shame all you want, but that is the state of the medical research (by doctors, not air warriors), and that is the WSJ headline.
The medical world has a very good handle on this issue. They're aware of it and know how to treat it and have assessed that the occurrence and risk of this condition is outweighed by the benefits. That they don't know why it's happening is an interesting problem to attempt to fix in the next vaccine.View attachment 33427
Covid-19 Vaccines and Myocarditis Link Probed by Researchers
Several theories are under investigation by researchers seeking to explain heart-inflammation conditions among small numbers of vaccinated people.
Phrased another way, this title reads “Researchers Still Probing Links Between Covid-19 Vaccines and Myocarditis.”
Ergo, researchers still don’t know why these novel mRNA shots are causing statistically observable numbers of heart inflammation conditions.
Ergo, organizations are mandating shots that the medical world admits they don’t really have a good handle on understanding the short term (let alone long term) health side effects.
White wash it all you want, and vaccine-shame all you want, but that is the state of the medical research (by doctors, not air warriors), and that is the WSJ headline.
I assume since you haven't posted about losing your job that you've gotten a shot. In which case is this a case of buyers remorse or you thinking that you're sticking somehow sticking up for those who don't want the shot? If the former, you should talk to a doc and take a break from doom scrolling and maybe reset your algorithms. If the latter, who cares? Let other adults make their decisions and live with the consequences. At this point you have to kind of admire the courage of those who have just said "no." At least they're standing by their convictions instead of trying to sea lawyer their way out of this with increasingly flimsy pretenses. Or get a good lawyer and take your chances that mandates won't hold up in court (which I think is unlikely).
No. It’s because I stick up for my employees and my sailors. I don’t write them off or “admire them” from afar while ignoring my duty to carry their viewpoints up the chain, or stick up for them when they can’t stick up for themselves because they’ve been canceled, written off, or shamed away by people like you. It’s also because bullshit overreach like this - if not nipped in the bud early - can actually make my life and all our lives worse in the long run. The holier-than-thou or who-cares-fuckem attitudes I’ve seen around here are disgusting. If you can’t tolerate someone else having a different opinion or viewpoint than you, maybe rethink the first amendment.
The state of medical research is that infection has a 6x rate of myocarditis over the vaccine.
Myocarditis is more common after covid-19 infection than vaccination
A preliminary study suggests that, among those most likely to develop myocarditis, the heart condition is six times more likely to occur after having covid-19 than after getting vaccinated
My teammates are allowed to apply for religious or medical exemptions as set forth by an agency that has been incredibly understanding and empathetic towards their concerns. They are given ample resources via access to medical and religious professionals to help them make their decisions. I don't think that cherry picking random articles that fit a preselected viewpoint or trying to sea lawyer a mandate will help them nor do I think that the agency would respond to that. I can make the biggest difference by offering to get them to the resources to answer their questions and to help them make the informed decision that is the best for them. If a teammate decides to not get comply come Monday I'll be upset at the loss of them on the team and I will respect their decision. But it's not my job to steer their decision one way or another. They're adults and they can make their own decisions. I have no disrespect for those who make their own decisions and people are certainly allowed to do so. I'd like that people make informed decisions off of the best data available for such an impactful decision. But I'm not going to help them make excuses. If after becoming informed they are certainly able to apply for an exemption or engage a lawyer as is their right.
While the myocarditis is an unfortunate rare adverse reaction, cases of heart inflammation reported post-COVID vaccination are usually mild and get better quickly. People should weigh the risks and make their own health decisions.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
That's not the message being transmitted by Dr. Fauci, President Biden, et. al. The message being transmitted is that the vaccine is 100% safe, and anyone who questions this is a batshit crazy anti-vax conspiracy theorist.
Do you not see how this is counter-productive?
The big difference is liability. Vaccine distributed under the EUA label and name are exempt the manufacturer from liability. Once they put the approved name and label, they are open to liability lawsuits. My friend the pharmaceutical company executive in Florida says this is why Pfizer is still distributing their vaccine under the EUA instead of using the approved name and label.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
Proper labeling (in general, not just for vaccines) is a huge fucking deal and rooted in hundreds of years of legal battles about consumer protection.
Agreed. Once it’s established a sailor has willfully violated the Navy’s drug policy, there is really only one correct decision.
That the government is OK with that is concerning to me. A lot of these things seem like they could have been sorted out by now, and it eats away at public confidence that they haven’t been. The results are widely apparent.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
What gets me is that the threshold for proof is supposed to be a preponderance of evidence. Yes, you could argue that there is reason to doubt the results of the drug test, which is why these cases almost never go to court martial. You cannot reasonably argue that the odds that the drug test is accurate is only 49%.