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Looking for gouge? Ask your Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation here (Part 1)

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HeyJoe

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osu33 said:
John Doe explained it as being similar to the Super Hornet's ability to switch out its gun for the ATARS - the Navy wants the option to take it out when they want to and thus having to deal with the RCS of a gun pod.
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Say what? ATARS on a Super Hornet? Who told you that? John Doe? Super Hornet went route of SHARP, which is a podded EO/IR collection system. USMC went route of ATARS, which is installed in gun cavity.
 
VIZKRIEG

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Most AF squadrons don't have their own maintenance folks. They're normally in a separate group.

A typical AF wing might have:
Ops Group
Maintenance Group
Mission Support Group
Medical Group
etc...
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This seems a little bass-ackwards to me...not the fact that you are saying this, but that they actually think that works well.

I would think that an integrated unit would be much more capable of getting things done well (AF jokes notwithstanding...:p)
 
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VIZKRIEG said:
This seems a little bass-ackwards to me...not the fact that you are saying this, but that they actually think that works well.

I would think that an integrated unit would be much more capable of getting things done well (AF jokes notwithstanding...:p)
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Make sure to voice your concerns during the next Quadrennial Review.
 
A4sForever

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eddie said:
Anyone ever hear of anyone being a shooter AND an LSO?
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Uhhhhh ... I can't think of any right now. I'd bet there have been some -- i.e., a possible scenario:

LSO in the squadron 1st tour -- followed by a shore TRACOM LSO job -- followed by getting screwed by the detailer w/ follow-on orders to USS BOAT as a shooter in the ship's company/air department -- thus completing your circle. :eek:

But then again ... I think it takes "longer" to punch all your LSO tickets these days ... so mebbe it's NOT possible as I laid out.

Not a "career enhancing" LSO path in any case ...
 
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eddie said:
Anyone ever hear of anyone being a shooter AND an LSO?
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What makes that virtually impossible in same tour is Shooters are part of ship's company and on dissassociated sea tour after first shore tour whereas squadron LSOs are selected from Naval Aviators serving in squadrons and fly with their squadrons when not serving on their LSO duty day. CAG Paddles are on CAG staff, not ship's company. They also fly with squadrons when not on their duty day.

A4s painted a scenario in which a LSO could serve as a shooter in another assignment, but if the LSo was tracking, a CAG Paddles job would be more likely during that career progression. If that's what you want to do, I'm sure you could ask for it. Shooters don't fly as part of Air Wing so would you rather serve a sea tour flying and waving or just sending others on their way?
 
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heyjoe said:
What makes that virtually impossible in same tour is Shooters are part of ship's company and on dissassociated sea tour after first shore tour whereas squadron LSOs are selected from Naval Aviators serving in squadrons and fly with their squadrons when not serving on their LSO duty day. CAG Paddles are on CAG staff, not ship's company. They also fly with squadrons when not on their duty day.

A4s painted a scenario in which a LSO could serve as a shooter in another assignment, but if the LSo was tracking, a CAG Paddles job would be more likely during that career progression. If that's what you want to do, I'm sure you could ask for it. Shooters don't fly as part of Air Wing so would you rather serve a sea tour flying and waving or just sending others on their way?
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I figured it would be an extremely weird scenario for someone to have served as both. :)
 
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Rouster said:
Have any of you landed on a carrier at night while snowing?
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1. Yes, it snows at sea

2. Yes, we fly in it

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060330-N-7981E-059 Pacific Ocean (March 30, 2006) - Flight deck personnel work to ready an F/A-18F Super Hornet assigned to the “Fighting Vigilantes” of Strike Fighter Squadron One Five One (VFA-151) for take-off from the flight deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) during a snow storm. Lincoln and Carrier Air Wing Two (CVW-2) are currently underway in the Western Pacific conducting a scheduled deployment. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate Airman James R. Evans (RELEASED)

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060330-N-7981E-060 Pacific Ocean (March 30, 2006) - An F/A-18F Super Hornet assigned to the “Fighting Vigilantes” of Strike Fighter Squadron One Five One (VFA-151) launches from the flight deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) during a snowstorm. Lincoln and Carrier Air Wing Two (CVW-2) are currently underway in the Western Pacific conducting a scheduled deployment. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate Airman James R. Evans (RELEASED)

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070207-N-9475M-028 Atlantic Ocean (Feb. 7, 2007) - Sailors assigned to air department clear snow from the flight deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) during ammunition on load with Military Sealift Command (MSC) dry cargo/ammunition ship USNS Lewis and Clark (T-AKE 1). Truman is currently underway conducting operations in the Atlantic Ocean. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Mari Matsumoto (RELEASED)

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070207-N-0336C-014 Atlantic Ocean (Feb. 7, 2007) - Deck department Sailors manning the phone and distance line bundle up against the cold and snow on the flight deck of Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) during an ammunition onload with the Military Sealift Command (MSC) dry cargo/ammunition ship USNS Lewis and Clark (T-AKE 1). This is Lewis and Clark's inaugural underway replenishment (UNREP). Truman is currently underway conducting operations in the Atlantic Ocean. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Arturo Chavez (RELEASED)
 
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heyjoe said:
.... Shooters don't fly as part of Air Wing....
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Do Shooters ... or in fact, any Aviators in the Air Department ... still fly ?? As in -- as in part of their job -- i.e., fly the COD ??

That was how they maintained proficiency and got flight skins in the ol' days -- I am dubious of their ability to do so now, as back "then" the COD(s) belonged to the ship and were flown by ship's company Aviators.
 
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A4sForever said:
Do Shooters ... or in fact, any Aviators in the Air Department ... still fly ?? As in -- as in part of their job -- i.e., fly the COD ??

That was how they maintained proficiency and got flight skins in the ol' days -- I am dubious of their ability to do so now, as back "then" the COD(s) belonged to the ship and were flown by ship's company Aviators.
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No flying of any sorts for shooters. CODs are provided by detachments of either VRC-40 (East) or VRC-30 (West).

On my ship, the last CO was a Prowler guy. He flew all of the time, but now no ships company aviators fly.
 
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