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Kerry and Nader

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Cate

Pretty much invincible
Come, now. No matter how you feel about Kerry, you've got to admit that the man has been doing the politics thing for a long time and has it down pat. Do you honestly think that, practically on the eve of a major election, with the entire country scrutinizing his every move, he's going to go off on a Vietnam vet and publicly flip him the bird?

Always check sources. If it's reported by NewsMax and not by Fox News, the Washington Times, or the New York Post, chances are good that the story is questionable.
 

zuggerat

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You've got to be kidding me, John Kerry cannot carry a campaign for the life of him. He lacks the ability to form a cohesive campaign or seize opportunities to gain ground on the opposition.
 

VetteMuscle427

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zuggerat said:
You've got to be kidding me, John Kerry cannot carry a campaign for the life of him. He lacks the ability to form a cohesive campaign or seize opportunities to gain ground on the opposition.

Did you notice how he always preaches? He never just talks... vice W who cracks jokes.

And have you ever heard Kerry offer a plan to do any of his goals such as "regain the trust of our allies".... I'm like "How?" and there is no answer. Why doesn't the press pick up on this? oh yeah... I forgot....
 

zuggerat

Registered User
Kerry's a schmuck and even Kerry knows it. Kerry was campaigning a few weeks ago, and he made an unscheduled stop at a rib pit, I cannot remember where, but it was some grassroots kind of state. Anywho, he stops in and orders ribs, trying to be one with the folk, appeal to the little guy, and him being the pompous son-of-Ted-Kennedy-twerp that he barely touches his food, probably because it isnt watercrest and caviar. Then he goes into the back to speak with the workers, which seems appropriate because of course he is "campaigning". He goes back there and finds out that none of them are working under the protection of a union and none of the have laborer's insurance or worker's compensation. So he gets his panties in a twist and storms out, not even paying for the ribs, and leaves immediately. Now this serves my point of not being able to gain ground on the opposition. If Kerry was an intelligence and true politician he would see this god-given opportunity to get up on a table and preach. Preach to the workers that no American should be left with out insurance, no laborer should be left with out a union and no American should have to bear the burden of paying bills while injured from a work related accident. But what did he do instead? He walked out. What does that say to the average american? And, on top of that, what does that indicate that Kerry will do about terrorism and national security. It says to me that Kerry would rather complain and then ignore the problem rather than go out and try to fix it. Kerry will walk out on the security of this nation. He's a typical liberal, all talk no action, and he is disgracing the names of his great formers.
 

crysmc

MH-60S Pilot Wife
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zuggerat said:
Kerry's a schmuck and even Kerry knows it.... ...It says to me that Kerry would rather complain and then ignore the problem rather than go out and try to fix it. Kerry will walk out on the security of this nation. He's a typical liberal, all talk no action, and he is disgracing the names of his great formers.

Agreed! And congrats on getting four stars! I envy you, seeing as how I'm working on star #4 myself.
 

zuggerat

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Alleluiah, someone with some real sense. Crysmc, nice to see someone with their head on straight.

And thank you, I wear my four stars with pride. Hopefully they'll turn into two bars and a pair of wings one day.
 

doubledown

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In a story in 'Military' magazine, Cliff Kincaid told of a fact that could seriously slam John Kerry's campaign. It was reported in 'New York Times' that "Kerry was at an anti-war meeting in 1971 where people discussed assassinating members of the U.S. Senate who supported the VietNam War." I don't know about anyone else, but that seems a little uber-liberal extremist to me. I think politicians in general have gotten more liberal over the years, even the Republicans. We need someone like General Patton to be resurrected and run for President. He's the type of guy I want in charge.
 

Aviator4000

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VetteMuscle, Kerry thinks are allies are France and Russia. Wasn't Russia are enemy in the cold war for 50 years? France backed out of NATO in 1966 militarily. They also sold Iraq a nuclear reactor in the early 80's (luckily the Israeli AirForce took care of that problem). France's government subsidized media outlets also haven't said ANYTHING about the oil for food scandal on public TV (the French government is the king of Propoganda).
Kerry is the one that will alienate our allies. He says he is for fair trade and not free trade. What he means is he wants to put tarriffs on goods coming into this country in an attempt to save jobs. Tarriffs don't work, if you dont believe me look up the Smoot-Hawley Tarriff Act of 1930. It led to trade wars and exasparated the recession we had into a depression (THE GREAT DEPRESSION). Tarriffs do a couple of things, one is lead to trade wars so our goods overseas cost more so we sell less, this will lead to LESS employment in the U.S., the other is that it makes the cost of goods go up, WAY UP, so our money doesn't go as far (it would be like taking a pay decreas). Plus Kerry wants a universal healthcare system. Much like socialism itself, it would be a great idea in a perfect world, but this world is VERY INPERFECT. Our taxes would go through the roof to support it, and by the way higher taxes leads to CONRACTION of the economy. Clinton was for free trade (about his only positive belief) and so is Bush. Why is flipper (he used to be for free trade) not for free trade. Because Bush is for it. He takes issues just to oppose Bush. So know we know flipper knows nothing about economics.
 

Aviator4000

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Hanoi John on Defense

JOHN KERRY WANTS TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT
Kerry Touts Experience But Calls Discussion Of His Record Negative Attacks
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FOX NEWS’ BRIT HUME: “[Kerry’s letter to President Bush] is an amazing document in the sense that you talk about having it every which way on the issue. Kerry has been running in no small measure on his Vietnam record…. John Kerry’s Vietnam War record and his medal-winning performance over there has been a centerpiece of his campaign. Now he accuses the President of making an issue of it, which the President demonstrably has not done. … So now Kerry is saying, ‘I challenge you to a debate on this issue which you have raised. And we shouldn’t be talking about this.’ Amazing.” (Brit Hume, “Fox News Sunday,” 2/22/04)

KERRY TOUTS 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE…

Kerry Told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “ Think I Have 35 Years Of Experience In International Security, Foreign Policy And Military Affairs, And I Think That Makes An Enormous Difference Here.” (ABC’s “This Week,” 2/22/04)

…BUT SAYS DISCUSSION OF RECORD IS NEGATIVE ATTACK

Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) Said Kerry Had “Weak Voting Record On Military Affairs.” “Sen. Saxby Chambliss contended that Kerry, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, has a weak voting record on military affairs. … Chambliss said in a conference call arranged by the Bush campaign: ‘When you have a 32-year history of voting to cut defense programs and cut defense systems, folks in Georgia are going to look beyond what he says and look at his voting record.’” (“Senator Blasts Kerry's Military Voting,” The Associated Press, 2/21/04)

ü After Sen. Chambliss’ Press Conference, Kerry Accused President Bush Of Using Surrogates To Attack His Vietnam Service. “Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry accused President Bush of using surrogates to attack his military service in Vietnam and his subsequent activism against that war. In a letter to Bush on Saturday, Kerry wrote: ‘As you well know, Vietnam was a very difficult and painful period in our nation’s history, and the struggle for our veterans continues. So, it has been hard to believe that you would choose to reopen these wounds for your personal political gain. But, that is what you have chosen to do.’ Kerry was reacting to criticism earlier in the day from a leading Georgia Republican who, speaking for Bush’s re-election campaign, predicted trouble for Kerry in the state's primary. Sen. Saxby Chambliss said during a conference call arranged by the Bush campaign that Kerry has a ‘32-year history of voting to cut defense programs and cut defense systems.’” (Nedra Pickler, “Kerry Decries Bush Over Attacks On Record,” The Associated Press, 2/22/04)

The Associated Press Headline Said It Best: “Senator Blasts Kerry’s Military Voting.” (The Associated Press, 2/21/04)

SO WHICH IS IT? IS THE RECORD FAIR GAME OR NOT?

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against B-1 Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against B-2 Stealth Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-14. (H. R. 5803, CQ Vote #319: Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D 43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-15. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-16. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against AV-8B Harrier Vertical Takeoff And Landing Jet Fighters. (H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against AH-64 Apache Helicopters. (H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Patriot Missiles. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Aegis Air Defense Cruiser. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Trident Missile System For U.S. Submarines. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against M-1 Abrams Tanks. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Bradley Fighting Vehicle. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Tomahawk Cruise Missile. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

AND THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG …
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READ HOW DNC CHAIRMAN TERRY McAULIFFE TODAY ON
CBS’ “FACE THE NATION” RAN FROM KERRY’S VOTES

Please Click Here For Entire Transcript: http://www.gop.com/news/read.aspx?ID=3937
 

Aviator4000

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Notice how many votes for each weapons system V. how many votes against. kerry would have you believe he voted against these systems because they contained a lot of pork. Obviously that is not the case most are 8-2 votes, that means the only no votes were from LIBERALS. A true liberal is a socialist. These people would rather have one world army (the U.N., and have are military disolved) and have one world government that would send tax money (from the U.S.) to third world countries. I am all for helping other countries but we have problems at home we have to fix, and our elected government is supposed represent the U.S.'s best interest not the rest of the world. If this is what you want to vote for then by all means do it! But I sure as hell won't and any responsible American sure as hell won't! Unless of course you think we (the U.S.) are the bad guys. If you think we are the bad guys, I can't help you because you are too far lost in life and have NO common sense!
 

VetteMuscle427

is out to lunch.
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Not to sound like a Kerry supporter, which I decidedly am not, but that list looks like he voted against

S. 3189
H. R. 5803
H.R. 2126

All of these happen to be votes for weapons systems that were already in service/production. So what was he exactly voting against? In addition, how did he vote in an House of Representatives vote? He is a Senator....
 

doubledown

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his campaign strategy reminds me of the street football days when i was a child. You always had the one kid who would make up rules until they turned in the opposing team's favor. Then, he'd say "that's not fair" and make up a new rule.
 

Aviator4000

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VetteMuscle correct it does look like three bills, I don't have exact numbers on the house, but the senate is always more liberal than the house, so if the vote was a clear majority for it in the senate, than the house definitely had more votes FOR. Yes I know they are weapons systems that already existed. He was voted against purchasing more of them, which is essentially a CUT BACK. Imagine if he was the president, there would be a huge cut back. There is no doubt in my mind about that.
 

Aviator4000

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How do you guys feel about Kerry's remarks about if he was president he would cut funding for research & development on Nuclear bunker busters? I think that would be very UNWISE. I take the point of view we may very well need them. I am not saying we will definitely need them, but better to be safe then sorry. Take pakistan for example, we have great diplomatic relationship with Musharraff, but what if an islamic extremist (terrorist) faction overthrew him??? It could happen, and may I remind you guys Pakistan has Nuclear missles. We may damn well need nuclear bunker busters to ensure we can take Pakistans NUKES out if that ever happened. Obviously that is a hypothetical situation that hopefully will never happen, but I say hope for the best prepare for the worst. That is just my 2 cents on that.
 
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