shotcalla10
what percent of RL officers get jets?
great photos. thanks for sharing.
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In flight refueling photos...
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Tanking, schmanking ... everything depicted herein, while "pretty", is relatively benign and routine. Not easy at first, for sure --- I fogged my visor so bad on the first plug in the RAG with all the huffin' and puffin' that I had to raise it to see ... 
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So what is the most dangerous flying any of you will EVER do ??? Combat or otherwise ???? .... and obviously, everything is relative.
Just my $20 worth ... but anyone ever hear the call .... "Hawk the Ball"???
... So what is the most dangerous flying any of you will EVER do ??? Combat or otherwise ???? .... and obviously, everything is relative.
Just my $20 worth ... but anyone ever hear the call .... "Hawk the Ball"???
That's rich; what "she" likes .... "she likes the boom" .... as if any "receivers" give a rip about what the fuel-fat "boom operator" likes ....
I love it.
I guess the bottom line of this thread is that when it comes to aerial refueling (much like the services in general), the Navy does the fvcking and the AF get's fvcked.
Not always the case...
The bastard child of Naval Aviation gets "the shaft".
The MMA will also get "da boom".
Those wing mounted basket refuleing pods can be a beyotch to tank off of. So far from the longitudinal centerline of the AC that very small movements of the wingtips (in the lightest of bumpy air) fling the basket about a lot.
Centerline tanking tends to be most stable...IMHNFOOFTBS (in my humble NFO Opinion From The backseat).
Those wing mounted basket refuleing pods can be a beyotch to tank off of. So far from the longitudinal centerline of the AC that very small movements of the wingtips (in the lightest of bumpy air) fling the basket about a lot.
Centerline tanking tends to be most stable...IMHNFOOFTBS (in my humble NFO Opinion From The backseat).
Not to mention the dihedral of the wing is FAR from parallel to the horizon. It feels like you're in a 5-10 degree angle of bank when the tanker is flying straight and level! I can't imagine having to get gas from that thing in the goo...
Looks like JP-5 is still around for the boats and here's a little more info I didn't know (swiped off Wikipedia fwiw)
JP-8, or JP8 (for "Jet Propellant") is a jet fuel, specified in 1990 by the U.S. government. It is kerosene-based. It is a replacement for the JP-4 fuel; the U.S. Air Force replaced JP-4 with JP-8 completely by the fall of 1996, in order to use less flammable, less hazardous fuel for better safety and combat survivability. U.S. Navy uses a similar formula to JP-8, JP-5. JP-8 is projected to remain in use at least until 2025. It was first introduced at NATO bases in 1978. Its NATO code is F-34. It is specified by MIL-DTL-83133 and British Defence Standard 91-87.
Commercial aviation uses a similar mixture under the name Jet-A. JP-8 in addition contains icing inhibitor, corrosion inhibitors, lubricants, and antistatic agents.
JP-5 has even higher flash point than JP-8, but it also has prohibitively higher cost, limiting its use to aircraft carriers.
Outside of powering aircraft, JP-8 finds its use as a fuel for heaters, stoves, tanks, and other military vehicles, and serves as a coolant in engines and some other aircraft components.
JP-8 contains less benzene (a carcinogen) and less n-hexane (a neurotoxin) than JP-4. However, it also smells stronger than JP-4 and has an oily feel to touch, while JP-4 feels more like a solvent. Workers have complained of smelling and tasting JP-8 for hours after exposure. As JP-8 is less volatile, it remains on the contaminated surfaces for longer time, increasing the risk of exposure.
JP-8+100 is a version of JP-8 with an additive that increases its thermal stability by 100 °F (56 °C). The additive is a combination of a surfactant, metal deactivator, and an antioxidant. It was introduced in 1994. The additive reduces coking and fouling in engine fuel system. Commercially, this additive is used in Boeing aircraft operated by KLM, and in police helicopters in Tampa, Florida. [1]
JP-8 fuel is used at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, for heating, electrical generation, and melting ice for water. It is used because it will not gel at low temperatures.
Tanking, schmanking ... everything depicted herein, while "pretty", is relatively benign and routine. Not easy at first, for sure --- I fogged my visor so bad on the first plug in the RAG with all the huffin' and puffin' that I had to raise it to see ...
So what is the most dangerous flying any of you will EVER do ??? Combat or otherwise ???? .... and obviously, everything is relative.
Just my $20 worth ... but anyone ever hear the call .... "Hawk the Ball"???
A4's, I think you just nailed the most challenging flying in Naval Aviation....blue water ops, a dark ass night, no moon, low scud, in and out of clouds, already low on gas from giving it to the last two Phantoms with low fuel, and the Boss tells you to hawk the Phantom, give him all you can if he bolters and, when he does, he finds you right in position off his bolter and you drive him around, engaged and transferring the whole time to set him up perfectly on glide slope and on speed or slightly fast (for him) at about a mile and a half, then you get to haul the tanker around in a short pattern with enough gas for one look.