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Growler "Golden Path"

cfam

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I wasn't sure I was missing some sort of training event (a la USAF-style school based on org. leadership, like SOS or ACSC ) that would open/close doors. I'm still totally uninitiated, and in the back of my mind, I'm hoping there's a career path that can slow the inevitable slide into higher leadership by focusing on how to make your flyers a more lethal bunch.

What does is mean to be a great JO, whether that be deployed or at home station? I'd imagine JO queep is largely scrutinized but low-impact, and flying takes precedence - how soon can one start displaying the qualities of an instructor (is that an IEWO? EWOI? IWO?)?

Is it at all realistic to place VAQ-209 as a 6-or-12 year 'ending' to active duty? How does their way of doing things differ from the AD squadrons, badass patch aside? Is someone who goes graduates HAVOC too much of an asset to the Navy to be allowed to then proceed directly into the Reserve?

Like Pags said, nothing like that exists on the USN side. If you decide to work towards command, then you will eventually do something like ACSC via completing your Joint Professional Military Education (JPME) 1 course requirement, but it's just a check in the block, and not something that will "open/close doors."

There also isn't really a "career path that can slow the slide into higher leadership." As Brett said, you can certainly pursue a more tactically focused route by going to weapons school and becoming a training officer (which allows you to remain in the cockpit through the end of your DH tour), but it doesn't delay your progression towards command.

As Brett mentioned, there will definitely be competition for a spot in 209. Having a weapons school patch will certainly help. Aside from the competitive aspect of getting a spot, there is no reason the Navy wouldn't let a HAVOC graduate go into the reserves provided you've completed your training officer tour (around your eight year point post-wings).

Boat versus exped is really a question of personal preference. You'll be able to rank your choices coming out of VAQ-129, but the Navy makes the final call. You'll have a great experience either way.

To your "displaying the qualities of an instructor" question: if you're a top performer in your first squadron and get your mission commander (Growler Weapons and Tactics Program Level 3 designation) on the early side, then you may have the chance to be designated as a Level 3 instructor and to instruct the events for other JOs in the squadron. That being said, you'll get the meat of your instructor experience during your shore tour. Your first fleet tour is largely dedicated to getting qualified in the jet and doing well at your ground job.
 
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nittany03

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As Brett mentioned, there will definitely be competition for a spot in 209. Having a weapons school patch will certainly help. Aside from the competitive aspect of getting a spot, there is no reason the Navy wouldn't let a HAVOC graduate go into the reserves provided you've completed your training officer tour (around your eight year point post-wings).
Just keep in mind that as an NFO, there are far more non-flying spots in the reserves than flying ones. VR is a 1315 thing, not a 1325 thing. So unless you can score something like 209, 129 SAU, or CNATRA, you’re going to spend the balance of your career in places like TACRON, the CAOC, and three- and four-star staffs, doing either non-flying aviator stuff or generic warfare-qualified URL officer stuff. Aviators fill 40 percent of the “insert any warfare-qualified oak leaf here” billets on major staffs.

Or, if you’re FTS, having to help staff a NOSC, which God help you.
 

Meyerkord

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Can anyone point me to a similar thread for the naval aviator golden path? I've only come across mentions of it but haven't seen it laid out like it was here.
I think this thread does a pretty good job at summing it up. It's from 2011 so some of it may be dated, but I feel like it's still pretty accurate for the most part.

 

Gonzo08

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Boat versus exped is really a question of personal preference.
Would you prefer to be in a squadron where the Growler is taken seriously? Or would you prefer to be in a squadron where the Growler is underappreciated and treated as a joke.

If your answer is the former, try to go to an Expeditionary squadron.
 

MIDNJAC

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Would you prefer to be in a squadron where the Growler is taken seriously? Or would you prefer to be in a squadron where the Growler is underappreciated and treated as a joke.

If your answer is the former, try to go to an Expeditionary squadron.

This is so far beyond the scope of the OP's current situation that it is funny we are even debating this. I think boat is a great place to learn what it is to be a naval aviator. It is also a great place, as a tacair dude/gal, to have your night in the barrel, scare yourself, and learn through various bad situations that you can squeeze lemonade out of your own self induced dehydrated balls and live to tell the story in WR1 at 0200 with your buds. Buuuuuutttt......you aren't wrong. I say that as a former single seat and two-seat VFA guy who now trolls around in the medium jammer with my EWO friends.
 

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Would you prefer to be in a squadron where the Growler is taken seriously? Or would you prefer to be in a squadron where the Growler is underappreciated and treated as a joke.

If your answer is the former, try to go to an Expeditionary squadron.
You’re not wrong, but I’m still glad to have been in a boat squadron before I went to Fallon and got exposure to the AF way of thinking.I wouldn’t really have appreciated how different it truly is without that initial exposure, plus it gave me a better sense for what needed to change.

Also, its still the way the Navy mostly does business, so he’ll see it eventually regardless. Either way, hopefully he avoids becoming too cynical until after his first tour, and just thinks it’s awesome to be flying Growlers in the fleet.
 

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Would you prefer to be in a squadron where the Growler is taken seriously? Or would you prefer to be in a squadron where the Growler is underappreciated and treated as a joke.

If your answer is the former, try to go to an Expeditionary squadron.
I disagree with that premise.
 

SpeckledTrout

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Quick questions: what are the EWO's duties towards aircraft inspection before a launch? Is there an even split of work between the pilot and the EWO? Are they checking specific systems relating to their responsibilities? Are the crew typically giving the enlisted folks a hand in readying the jet before the walk-around?
 

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Quick questions: what are the EWO's duties towards aircraft inspection before a launch? Is there an even split of work between the pilot and the EWO? Are they checking specific systems relating to their responsibilities? Are the crew typically giving the enlisted folks a hand in readying the jet before the walk-around?
Both aircrew do an identical preflight walk around of the jet. The aircraft gets a much more thorough daily inspection from an enlisted plane captain to get it ready for flight. Once the aircrew are in the jet and starting it up, they each have different tasks to complete, turning on the various systems, setting them up according to the particular mission, and checking that everything is operating properly. This process normally takes 15-20 minutes before the jet is “up and ready” to taxi.
 

Coffee & JP8

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Just found out I got picked up for NFO. This post made me super stoked to get this new career started!
Does the aircraft community selections for NFOs based on class rank or required scores like the SNA route? Hopefully, Ill see some of you in the Growler fleet soon
 

no_rex4u

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Just found out I got picked up for NFO. This post made me super stoked to get this new career started!
Does the aircraft community selections for NFOs based on class rank or required scores like the SNA route? Hopefully, Ill see some of you in the Growler fleet soon

AFAIK, it is still a combo of NSS (score averaged from the previous 69 people), student preferences/anthro. and needs of the navy (can't stress that last one enough)
you'll get a preference sheet (dream sheet) where you can rank big wing/E-2/jets. You should also be able to put any other factors you can think of.
When i was in primary (2015) the class of 10 or so in front of me were all foced P-8. The #1 SNFO wanted E-6s and still got P-8.
 

Hair Warrior

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AFAIK, it is still a combo of NSS (score averaged from the previous 69 people), student preferences/anthro. and needs of the navy (can't stress that last one enough)
you'll get a preference sheet (dream sheet) where you can rank big wing/E-2/jets. You should also be able to put any other factors you can think of.
When i was in primary (2015) the class of 10 or so in front of me were all foced P-8. The #1 SNFO wanted E-6s and still got P-8.
After an NFO is selected and trained on a platform, can he or she switch later to a different one?
 
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