FY 20 IWC DCO Board

[CWO_change]

For those people who will be qualifying CWO and IWO at NIOC Hawaii, the Command was accepting the IWBC and CWOBC PQS letters (at least through last year when I PCS'd). My current command at Fort Meade accepts them, too. We have two new ENSs and, once I got word from the XO that the signature sheets were being accepted, I still physically signed some of the corresponding line items at the request of the ENSs . . . I just didn't make them regurgitate everything for me since they had the letter, though I did spot check them on a few items here and there.

Now, I don't expect NIOC Hawaii to have changed its policy as they have the same CO as when I left, but they will be getting a new CO in August, so anything is possible then.

 

[fieldrat]

For those people who will be qualifying CWO and IWO at NIOC Hawaii, the Command was accepting the IWBC and CWOBC PQS letters (at least through last year when I PCS'd). My current command at Fort Meade accepts them, too. We have two new ENSs and, once I got word from the XO that the signature sheets were being accepted, I still physically signed some of the corresponding line items at the request of the ENSs . . . I just didn't make them regurgitate everything for me since they had the letter, though I did spot check them on a few items here and there.

Now, I don't expect NIOC Hawaii to have changed its policy as they have the same CO as when I left, but they will be getting a new CO in August, so anything is possible then.

I think the letters are fine, with judicious spot checks for known 'gloss-overs'. It's not like you didn't spend 6 weeks seeing this stuff non-stop for 6-8 hours/day...

 

[bubblehead]

I really wish the entire IWC would mirror the qualification standards that are put in place for IP's and CW's by the NIOCs. They really do a superb job in producing a quality product. Anyone I have ever boarded who completed their PQS at a NIOC just killed it.

 

[fieldrat]

I really wish the entire IWC would mirror the qualification standards that are put in place for IP's and CW's by the NIOCs. They really do a superb job in producing a quality product. Anyone I have ever boarded who completed their PQS at a NIOC just killed it.

The amount of pain involved...I just can't re-live it right now.

As a CWO reservist trying to qualify, those 91 active-duty days come at you so fast, and once they're up you're basically stuck trying to catch a surge for signatures/board.

 

[Trapt]

Due to COVID-19, they're offering an online, intensive RNIOBC Phase I alternative with a waiver for Phase I contingent upon passing a comprehensive exam at the end of the two week course. It'll be be interesting to see how that develops.

 

[NAVY305]

I have been watching the AD IWC board posts, and it seems that slowly but surely they are getting results. Curious as to how they handle DCO reserves. Is it the same panel that selects us and is it done after they have selected all the AD applicants/positions? Thanks!

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

I have been watching the AD IWC board posts, and it seems that slowly but surely they are getting results. Curious as to how they handle DCO reserves. Is it the same panel that selects us and is it done after they have selected all the AD applicants/positions? Thanks!

Two way different boards.

 

[NAVY305]

Two way different boards.

I totally get that they are two different boards but trying to understand the overall process and timing. Thanks.

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

I totally get that they are two different boards but trying to understand the overall process and timing. Thanks.

AC and RC boards have no connection to one another. Whatever AC boards do won't impact the RC.

 

[NAVY305]

AC and RC boards have no connection to one another. Whatever AC boards do won't impact the RC.

Copy, thanks!

 

[Reservist]

Due to COVID-19, they're offering an online, intensive RNIOBC Phase I alternative with a waiver for Phase I contingent upon passing a comprehensive exam at the end of the two week course. It'll be be interesting to see how that develops.

Good luck getting into that course - I don't want to start a shit show on here but - I applied for the RNIOBC course - was given a seat and next thing you know - seat taken away by Senior Officer in charge/associated with Reserve NIOBC.

The same Senior put out his guidance back around Jan/Feb that he would not be approving waivers for almost anyone.

He was directed to run this course because people in charge don't want the training machine to break down a year or two from now. There are plenty of people that are worth waiving for RNIOBC. In my assessment the Senior O complied in letter but in spirit ignored the direction to get people into this course and to keep training moving because he has a vision of no one getting waivers.

I'm a prior IS with 9 years enlisted. Perfect for this course and a waiver. My unit asked for a slot for me and an ISC that just made COW2.

Neither of us got seats. The people running the RNIOBC have no intention of making the RNIOBC work in my assessment. They are looking for ways to say "no" to people that want to go and get the waiver.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong - class starts next week. I bet people reading this could figure out who I am. Love to see a seat.

 

[bubblehead]

Have you escalated this to the CNIFR N7?

 

[Reservist]

Have you escalated this to the CNIFR N7?

No - but my waiver request is with them. My last discussion with anyone on this issue was last week. If CNIFR N7 Approves the waiver and if they have a seat or run another class they will reach out to me. I'm not holding my breath but I could see them being told to run another class with COVID19.

I know for fact that others were allowed into the class without a waiver by people in training chain. I was told I didn't need a waiver and was given a seat. By a sad twist of fate - my training O reached out to the one person that didn't want this thing to work and everything came apart. My training O came back to me and said I was admitted by mistake and the Senior O wrote an e-mail saying as much.

I know other people were accepted to this course that don't even have prior intel experience. It is has been a Jekyle Hyde course.

I've been around a bit - this happens from time to time. Makes me mad and it should make you mad if/when it happens to you.

It's terrible for morale and usually myopic. I'm sure there is some good behind the Senior O in question here - but I think he's refusing to look past his own nose on this one and makes many folks miserable.

 

[snake020]

Due to COVID-19, they're offering an online, intensive RNIOBC Phase I alternative with a waiver for Phase I contingent upon passing a comprehensive exam at the end of the two week course. It'll be be interesting to see how that develops.

Can you explain this in English to those of us who are not Intel?

 

[Reservist]

Can you explain this in English to those of us who are not Intel?

Intel O's attend several required trainings for the first three or so years for AT. RNIOBC is one of them. The powers that be have been making those trainings longer and longer making the DCO program less attractive to some.

New DCO Intel O's now go to a 5 week ODS first year, a 5 week NIOBC or RNIOBC years, and a 2-3 week RNOBC phase II the third year.

It's not god awful in the big picture but it changed midstream for some and if it wasn't what you signed up for (used to be drill once a month and AT two weeks a year) it's a big ask for some with certain jobs.

The new virtual two week RNIOBC came out of nowhere a few weeks ago - to keep people moving with training so that we aren't short qualified Intel O's two years from now. Obviously - there will be a chunk of JO Intel folks that will not complete training on time with COVID and job balancing this year.

The virtual RNIOBC offers INTEL O's a chance to knock some training out - the problem is that the people running the RNIOBC don't appear to be onboard with the spirit of getting people through the training. There are some running the RNIOBC that are stuck on the idea that they know what is best and want to revamp training for reserve Intel O's and aren't getting the message to keep things moving.

There are a good number of JO Intel types that are prior enlisted intel specialists and some that are three letter agency types that should be able to waiver out of the 5 week school too. That reality has been ignored by the folks running the RNIOBC the last year or so - but those very same folks would be ideal to push through the RNIOBC.

That's my spin - and a little background on RNIOBC.