F/A-18E vs F... benefits of one over the other?

[bunk22]

Who was the Marine T-45 IP who supposedly went out to Fallon and whooped up on a Hornet nugget or two? Could just be a tale exaggerated a bit too much!

 

[Python]

Who was the Marine T-45 IP who supposedly went out to Fallon and whooped up on a Hornet nugget or two? Could just be a tale exaggerated a bit too much!

I know of him. He's in Meridian. He beat a viper and has the HUD tape to prove it. My roommate has seen it.

 

[NightVisionPen]

It happened before my time there. Also, the story I heard is that it was a T-45 IP who showed up for Grad 1v1 day. The SFTIs and Adversary's don't know who they are fighting until they hit the merge at a specified point and time. Apparently they set the T-45 IP up with some guy who was pretty cocky and not so great and he got beat. So the story goes ...

F-5s whoop up on RAG student Hornet/Rhino guys all the time (it happened to me for sure) and fleet guys too. Most of the F-5 drivers get a lot of BFM and know how to fight their jet and hide behind their pitot tube. During air wing training, the Tigers get most of the kills. People don't take them seriously as a threat and screw it up and die.

 

[scoolbubba]

Hornet V Hornet ... :sleep_125

How 'bout A-6 V P-3 ... ??? Now THAT's the "dissimilar" ticket, especially when the Intruder just 'thumped' the Orion (who's RRRRRREALLY got his 'fangs out' now) that was moments before motoring a few miles outside the mouth of Subic Bay ...

Is this the same story that ended with the P-3 underperforming the shit out of the A-6? 'Cause I think I've read that one somewhere.

 

[A4sForever]

Is this the same story that ended with the P-3 underperforming the shit out of the A-6? 'Cause I think I've read that one somewhere.

Hmmmm ... could be, mebbe not ... 'what goes on cruise stays on cruise' ....

But I will say this: even though they would have been dead on the first pass, I still bought the first round @ the CUBI O'Club bar that night ...

** ... sigh ... ** there's so much hate in the world.

 

[Flugelman]

Hmmmm ... could be, mebbe not ... 'what goes on cruise stays on cruise' ....

But I will say this: even though they would have been dead on the first pass, I still bought the first round @ the CUBI O'Club bar that night ...

** ... sigh ... ** there's so much hate in the world.

Sure hope the tube rats were at Condition 5 when that commenced. Coulda got kinda "Sporty" back there.

 

[Cron]

Hornet V Hornet ... :sleep_125

How 'bout A-6 V P-3 ... ??? Now THAT's the "dissimilar" ticket, especially when the Intruder just 'thumped' the Orion (who's RRRRRREALLY got his 'fangs out' now) that was moments before motoring a few miles outside the mouth of Subic Bay ...

I remember HAL_Pilot mentioning P-3 related dissimilar ACM, in an earlier post.

PS. I spend way too much time on this site

We did that on the Nellis ranges in 1987-88 before going to the Persian Gulf to escort Kuwaiti tankers and protect Saudi oil fields during the Iran-Iraq war.

The rules were guns only because the Iranian missiles didn't work (no preventive maintenance or spare parts). If we got to the hard deck and denied the fighter the vertical, the P-3 could out turn the fighter all day long. After a while, we got really good with eyes in every window and rarely did the fighter get it's guns on us. We fought A-4s, F-4s, F-5s, F-4s, F-15s, F-16s and F-18s. By the end of the training, we were even able to get in a guns position on the fighters.

Unfortunately after we almost pulled the wings off a P-3 at Cocos Island and it happened to be the bird we did most of this DACM training with, the powers that be decided the Iranians were going to come for us (BS - they tried hard to get me at least three times in the Gulf) and the yanking & banking was too hard on the airframes. So we were the only squadron that did this. We also tested the flare/chaff pods and IR jammers on the Nellis electronic ranges (rush job to develop them and get them to us). Very interesting to see these actually working.

 

[Pags]

I've done it in Yuma (at MAWTS-1), and in Camp Lejeune with A-10s from Pope. Fun both times, but also made me realize we lose. A lot.

An ex-53D pilot I met ages ago summed it up as "Try and stay alive while you scream on the radio for friendly fighters."

 

[MasterBates]

An ex-53D pilot I met ages ago summed it up as "Try and stay alive while you scream on the radio for friendly fighters."

Sounds a lot like the Hawkeye fighter defense technique.

 

[phrogpilot73]

An ex-53D pilot I met ages ago summed it up as "Try and stay alive while you scream on the radio for friendly fighters."

Yup. There's a reason we have to fly with escorts (FW or RW) to certain areas... It's because, in the end of the day - our job is to tuck our tails and run, and keep the dudes in back alive. It's the escorts job to kill shit.

 

[flaps]

 

[MIDNJAC]

People don't take them seriously as a threat and screw it up and die.

Folks must be pretty cocky to not take those dudes seriously......everything about them looks bad ass to me, though maybe I am just in awe because they get to taxi around with their canopies open....

 

[HackerF15E]

Who was the Marine T-45 IP who supposedly went out to Fallon and whooped up on a Hornet nugget or two? Could just be a tale exaggerated a bit too much!

What's so wacky about that? I've gunned just about every USAF fighter sans the Raptor from an AT-38....it's more about opportunity and pilot skill than hardware.

 

[KBayDog]

It's because, in the end of the day - our job is to tuck our tails and run...

How does it feel to still have a job?

 

[BusyBee604]

Out on a Limb...

What's so wacky about that? I've gunned just about every USAF fighter sans the Raptor from an AT-38....it's more about opportunity and pilot skill than hardware.

Concur, I believe an experienced SkyHawk driver could wax any Cat I or II RP in any Fighter up to/including the Hornet.:icon_kiss
BzB:sleep_125