Don't know what the V-22 would do about a Chinese carrier.
It might be a good fit for COD/VOD or even SAR, but the Navy really hasn't said what it wants the V-22 to do. It's not as if it's published a C-2 sundown, and it just bought new H-60s.
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F-35B/C Lightning II (Joint Strike Fighter)
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Don't know what the V-22 would do about a Chinese carrier.
It might be a good fit for COD/VOD or even SAR, but the Navy really hasn't said what it wants the V-22 to do. It's not as if it's published a C-2 sundown, and it just bought new H-60s.
The only real mission gaps the V-22 could fill for the Navy are heavy VOD and towing the mine sleds. Would it make a good COD replacement? Probably, but none of the community briefs or serous-people-with-money discussions for VRC have in any way mentioned the Osprey. It's all about how long can we SLEP the C-2, with vague discussion of maybe a C-2B sometime around when the sun runs out of hydrogen.
If they were really looking at bringing Ospreys into the VRC community in the 2015+ timeframe, there would be a lot of money being invested now in selecting and training the initial cadre, a transition/sundown plan for the COD and COD pilots/crew, and infrastructure in Norfolk and North Island to support it, especially as it would mean 'divorcing' VRC from VAW, which would require standing up a VRC RAG and type wing and all the money and people that go along with that. None of that even has any money programmed for it, let alone actually being done.
So if there's glossy gray V-22's in the Navy's future, it's either being done by the helo bubbas or it's being pushed so far in the hazy future that for all intents and purposes won't happen.
My bet is that those 'extra' V-22's will go to the Marines, or the money will get sucked into a program that's high-priority and over budget, like...the F-35! And we come full circle.
If they were really looking at bringing Ospreys into the VRC community in the 2015+ timeframe, there would be a lot of money being invested now in selecting and training the initial cadre, a transition/sundown plan for the COD and COD pilots/crew, and infrastructure in Norfolk and North Island to support it, especially as it would mean 'divorcing' VRC from VAW, which would require standing up a VRC RAG and type wing and all the money and people that go along with that. None of that even has any money programmed for it, let alone actually being done.
So if there's glossy gray V-22's in the Navy's future, it's either being done by the helo bubbas or it's being pushed so far in the hazy future that for all intents and purposes won't happen.
My bet is that those 'extra' V-22's will go to the Marines, or the money will get sucked into a program that's high-priority and over budget, like...the F-35! And we come full circle.
12/20/2010 By Gunnery Sgt. Bill Lisbon
Marine Corps Air Station Yuma
Two F-35B Joint Strike Fighters make the Marine Corps variant's first formation flight in the skies above the Naval Air Station in Patuxent River, Md., recently. The Department of the Navy signed a basing decision Dec. 9 naming Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz., as the future home of 88 short takeoff and vertical landing jets, which will replace the air station's existing AV-8B Harriers.
12/20/2010 By Gunnery Sgt. Bill Lisbon
Marine Corps Air Station Yuma
Two F-35B Joint Strike Fighters make the Marine Corps variant's first formation flight in the skies above the Naval Air Station in Patuxent River, Md., recently. The Department of the Navy signed a basing decision Dec. 9 naming Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz., as the future home of 88 short takeoff and vertical landing jets, which will replace the air station's existing AV-8B Harriers.
Well, it's not as ugly as the F-117 - but it's damned close !!
That thing looks like a seagull raped an F22, and that was their bastard love child.
A "special needs" A-7 allways rang a bell.
I think it looks great. Not sure why some people think it's ugly.
Boeing shouldn't wonder why that didn't get selected. That could have been twice as capable as LM's offering but it still would have lost on looks alone...
Then again, maybe if they selected that we wouldn't be in the current debacle.
coolhandlukesd
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I think this is what the navy needs...... But without the canards.
MasterBates
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SuperTomcat... can I switch communities again?
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At least the Navy built a limited number of multi-role F-14Ds that greatly contributed to the Tomcat's legacy. Something similar could have been done w/ the F-4 if the Navy had been willing to update its nav systems & put in a multi-mode radar system. The Phantom could have served another 10 yrs with such upgrades. As it was, it flew the AA role reasonably well (if flown properly), but never got the chance it deserved to become an attack a/c that could fight it's way into a target & fight its way out. (e.g., F-4Es are still serving in a number of airforces). JMHO.
I've never understood why some people have such a hard-on for the F-14.
I had some time to kill the other day and ran some rough numbers (prices include development that's already been done, some prices are in 98' dollars [15E, B-1, F-16 C/D, 117] , some are foreign buys so more expensive, some cited from Wiki, etc.). Also it's impossible to estimate exactly how much it would cost to build some of the legacy aircraft, i.e. the BUFF, A-10. Regardless, it helps put an unfathomably large number into perspective and gives a frame of reference for exactly how "affordable" the JSF is.
JSF- Estimated total cost 329+ billion for 2,500 aircraft and rising. That would buy us roughly-
B-2 @ 1 bil- 329
B-1B @ 238 mil- 1,638
F-22 @ 120 mil- 2,741
F-117 @ 110 mil-2,990
F-15 S/E @ 100 mil- 3,290
Block 60 Viper @ 80 mil- 4,112
Rafale @ 70 mil- 4,700
Eurofighter @ 63 mil- 5,221
SAAB JAS 39 @ 50 mil- 6,581
Rhino @ 43 mil-7,651
F-15E @ 31 mil- 12,580
Block 40 Viper @ 20 mil- 19,500
That doesn't factor in discounts for order size either. Boeing was willing to knock off something like 10 mil per plane for the additional 124 Rhinos, so imagine how calling them for 12,580 F-15E's would go. I think they could make the 98' price work.
Anyone want to take odds on 20,000 F-16 C/D's vs. 2,500 F-35's?
JSF- Estimated total cost 329+ billion for 2,500 aircraft and rising. That would buy us roughly-
B-2 @ 1 bil- 329
B-1B @ 238 mil- 1,638
F-22 @ 120 mil- 2,741
F-117 @ 110 mil-2,990
F-15 S/E @ 100 mil- 3,290
Block 60 Viper @ 80 mil- 4,112
Rafale @ 70 mil- 4,700
Eurofighter @ 63 mil- 5,221
SAAB JAS 39 @ 50 mil- 6,581
Rhino @ 43 mil-7,651
F-15E @ 31 mil- 12,580
Block 40 Viper @ 20 mil- 19,500
That doesn't factor in discounts for order size either. Boeing was willing to knock off something like 10 mil per plane for the additional 124 Rhinos, so imagine how calling them for 12,580 F-15E's would go. I think they could make the 98' price work.
Anyone want to take odds on 20,000 F-16 C/D's vs. 2,500 F-35's?