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Coast Guard DCIO (Direct Commission Intelligence Officer)

Reservist

Intelligence Officer
I agree on why rush for folks that aren't prior service or mid career looking to change - but I think there is need for bring cyber folks in and there might just be a pool of talent out there with folks looking to change designators, retrain, or reenter service after a a break and some school on the civilian side ect..

That pool is ready to lead at an advanced rank on day one, probably is not willing to be an 0-1,2,3 too long, and has acquired cyber skills along the way. If they don't advance and fall short of 20 - there might be a reason - Navy Cyber's version of malpractice... :) We bump enlister out if they don't move up all the time. Much more readily than officers.

It's one of those quirky ideas that draws talent from a small pool to fill a big need - but I totally agree with you - this would not be a good fit for just anyone off the street and no prior service.
 

Hair Warrior

New Member
I’d totally be down for giving a cash incentive bonus, sign-up bonus, extra “language pay” for knowing coding languages (similar to DLPT), etc. Which is basically the same idea but without the rank.
 

fieldrat

Fully Qualified 1815
I’d totally be down for giving a cash incentive bonus, sign-up bonus, extra “language pay” for knowing coding languages (similar to DLPT), etc. Which is basically the same idea but without the rank.
Retention/Incentive pay is probably the better option. As much as agree that the Navy (MIL/GOV) at large have a fundamental misunderstanding of how to reward/hire/retain talent, I don't think allowing "hot shots" to leapfrog the line is the way to go. What happens when LCDR LeapFrog decides to "go for it" and makes a risky decision because they don't have enough Navy "salt" to temper their gusto?
 

bubblehead

Registered Member
Contributor
The issue with Navy Cyber and bringing on real SME's is one of rank and incentive. Same concept with doctor's and bringing them in as O4's.

During the name things I was trying to work on (in the IR space), I was effectively neutered because of my rank, despite me, on the private sector side, running engagements like these as a SME. Had I been an O5 or O6, I would have been 100% more effective and my civvie skills would have been full utilized. Unfortunately, I was basically told to shut up an color while I sat back and watched people play whack-a-mole. It was a comedy of errors confirmed every time I sat in briefings listening to the Admiral eviscerate people for playing whack-a-mole.
 

Sculpin

Well-Known Member
The issue with Navy Cyber and bringing on real SME's is one of rank and incentive. Same concept with doctor's and bringing them in as O4's.

During the name things I was trying to work on (in the IR space), I was effectively neutered because of my rank, despite me, on the private sector side, running engagements like these as a SME. Had I been an O5 or O6, I would have been 100% more effective and my civvie skills would have been full utilized. Unfortunately, I was basically told to shut up an color while I sat back and watched people play whack-a-mole. It was a comedy of errors confirmed every time I sat in briefings listening to the Admiral eviscerate people for playing whack-a-mole.
Which is exactly why the Army introduced this program in late 2017. I don't know if they start people at O-4, but O-2 at the least is a step up from the Navy's current CWE program. I've heard rumors the Navy plans to do similar, at least.
 

bryanteagle6

Well-Known Member
back to Coasties - do you have to be in a certain geographical area? do they only have INTEL ppl in DC or LA or someplace
 

Reservist

Intelligence Officer
Coast Guard is a great gig - if you can get it. They are ultra selective. Makes the the Navy DCO competition look like Army Officer selections by comparison - and the Army can't meet recruiting goals.

It is really hard to get in the Coast Guard - but I agree with anyone that thinks its a great service selection. In many ways - if you are in for the long haul with a family ect... might be the best service.

And if you are the gun ho type Coasties on drug patrols see more combat action peace time than the others branches see unless down range at war.

They are always up to something high speed low drag.
 

Hair Warrior

New Member
I’ve been told (by an O-5, Cutterman, USCG-Ret.) that the Coast Guard doesn’t do URL/RL/SC the same way the USN does, and any USCG officer can hold command at sea. Anyone have clarity on this?
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
And if you are the gun ho type Coasties on drug patrols see more combat action peace time than the others branches see unless down range at war.
Druggies rarely shoot back, it is more like whack-a-mole. Still fun, but not combat.
 

Bergers2short

Well-Known Member
None
I’ve been told (by an O-5, Cutterman, USCG-Ret.) that the Coast Guard doesn’t do URL/RL/SC the same way the USN does, and any USCG officer can hold command at sea. Anyone have clarity on this?
That's my understanding. There was a JAG Coastie who got his LLM during my first year of law school and he had previously commanded a cutter. He said that he could bounce between JAG and more URL type billets, but career timing is a consideration. He also didn't pickup JAG until further into his career. Im sure they aren't giving any old JAG with little sea time command of a cutter.
 
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