Sounds like the work of a crack NCIS investigative team...
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CNAF/CNATRA Callsign Review Boards?
- Thread starter Treetop Flyer
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From what I’ve heard, one of the FRS instructors went to the press and/or investigators.
And, fucked up though that may be (if true), that’s the power you give someone when they get a callsign that could be viewed in some racially biased light.
Seems it wasn't an issue until these two guys were attrited. It seems the Navy is quickly catching up to the PC-culture of the USAF. Something like this used happen in the Navy 5-7 years after the AF. Now, it happens in less than a year.
Last year, the AF shit-canned the Wing Commander, a squadron commander, DO, and and one other leader at Laughlin, following a naming. A callsign was offered up for one of the women that wasn't received well by someone in attendance. To her credit, she didn't really care... the person that elevated it was a guy.
The fact they were doing namings with student pilots is just plain stupid. And having a senior leader in the room to witness it is also exceedingly stupid.
I don't recall the details from the media... here's an article on it. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...ed-vulgar-call-sign-for-female-student-pilot/
I know plenty of people of Latino, Caucasian, and Asian decent that have callsigns that point to their ethnicity. They seem proud of it. Too bad these two guys couldn't enjoy the banter that binds a ready room.
Last year, the AF shit-canned the Wing Commander, a squadron commander, DO, and and one other leader at Laughlin, following a naming. A callsign was offered up for one of the women that wasn't received well by someone in attendance. To her credit, she didn't really care... the person that elevated it was a guy.
The fact they were doing namings with student pilots is just plain stupid. And having a senior leader in the room to witness it is also exceedingly stupid.
I don't recall the details from the media... here's an article on it. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...ed-vulgar-call-sign-for-female-student-pilot/
I know plenty of people of Latino, Caucasian, and Asian decent that have callsigns that point to their ethnicity. They seem proud of it. Too bad these two guys couldn't enjoy the banter that binds a ready room.
Hmm, my unicorn name is really close to my actual callsign. Saved the board some time, but now I’m suspicious of my peers who came up with it....
Exactly. The callsigns were pretty tame. “Eight ball” perhaps as the exception unless there’s a story. If they really didn’t like them there’s an existing path. Instead it became an issue after they attrited because they sucked.
Now CNAF embarrasses naval aviation in general with this ludicrous callsign review idea. Good thing there aren’t more important things for the FRS to worry about besides creating a policy for minority specific reviews of unofficial RAG callsigns.
Nothing upsets me.
I'm just surprised that given the ultra/overly politically correct Navy culture we live in today that the instructors would even go anywhere near anything even remotely biased or racial sounding/looking/smelling, especially with African American students.
8 Ball
Radio
Eggplant
Snoop
MC
Common... Walking real close to that fine line if not on it...
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bluemarlin04
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It is extremely easy for them to argue that they didn't like them but were to afraid to say anything.
Like others have said, as ridiculous as that is, thats the power you give the individuals when you give them these call signs.
Like @bubblehead said it is surprising they even went there to begin with.
I think the VTJs do this too... I've always thought it was stupid. Worry about your callsign in the fleet.
Uh, Topgun came out 33 years ago in 1986, five years before the tailhook scandal.
It was a very different Navy in 1986.
That's why there are #retentionproblems.
Had to.
Smileys aside...you’re right.
After I sent a link to this article to a friend, the reply was simply “it’s a good time to get out.”
This is what we call the "wine cooler" Navy...