This is the most COD thing I've ever heard. Not so much the ingenuity as much as the extreme desire to not spend an extra second on the boat. Props (pun intended-ish).
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CMV-22B Osprey Rollout
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This is the most COD thing I've ever heard. Not so much the ingenuity as much as the extreme desire to not spend an extra second on the boat. Props (pun intended-ish).
Both. The saddest motherfucker I’ve ever seen in my life is a COD guy at midrats.
It's a Grumman thing. Same trick used to start the Prowler.
@kmac Again, think we’re talking past each other here. You’re talking about leaning on the VAW dudes while all your MX is on the shore vs being sea based with a skeleton crew on the beach. I hope you guys don’t have to give up an f’ing awesome deal, I’m just saying be prepared to continually justify it.
@SynixMan
That's not it at all.... not once have I considered VAW.
Per 4630.12C, a COD det should get several maintenance spaces and a ready room. Often, they're given 2... the "ready room" and one maintenance control/line shack space. Some dets aren't even given space for their SASS, so they must keep them in the aircraft when doing a transit. I'm not making this up nor am I making a "woe is me" call for help. I'm simply talking about what actually happens.
It's already a challenge for a ~48 person COD det. When you've increased that to ~80 plus an additional aircraft, the likelihood of keeping them aboard ship is even lower. I'm not saying that it's impossible to do it; I'm saying that it's much much much more efficient operating from shore.
Most of the air wing has no clue about what happens on a daily basis ashore and there's no reason that they would. When the V-22 FBE was in its early stages of planning the emphasis from CNAF staff was on the stuff happening at the ship. Cosmo (V-22 FIT) and I spent quite a bit of effort shaping the analysis to focus more on a Det's shore activities. I'm glad we were able to do that because the folks at CNA and NAVAIR did an awesome job getting data for cargo handling, maintenance, mobility, etc. There were some eye opening moments when it became apparent how different this is going to be from C-2 operations.
That's not it at all.... not once have I considered VAW.
Per 4630.12C, a COD det should get several maintenance spaces and a ready room. Often, they're given 2... the "ready room" and one maintenance control/line shack space. Some dets aren't even given space for their SASS, so they must keep them in the aircraft when doing a transit. I'm not making this up nor am I making a "woe is me" call for help. I'm simply talking about what actually happens.
It's already a challenge for a ~48 person COD det. When you've increased that to ~80 plus an additional aircraft, the likelihood of keeping them aboard ship is even lower. I'm not saying that it's impossible to do it; I'm saying that it's much much much more efficient operating from shore.
Most of the air wing has no clue about what happens on a daily basis ashore and there's no reason that they would. When the V-22 FBE was in its early stages of planning the emphasis from CNAF staff was on the stuff happening at the ship. Cosmo (V-22 FIT) and I spent quite a bit of effort shaping the analysis to focus more on a Det's shore activities. I'm glad we were able to do that because the folks at CNA and NAVAIR did an awesome job getting data for cargo handling, maintenance, mobility, etc. There were some eye opening moments when it became apparent how different this is going to be from C-2 operations.
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“Whoa is me”
What?!!! The COD dets are already part of the airwing.
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Yeah I mean who else is going to vet our admin locations ahead of port calls? Weird how they always seem to get stuck on the ship the night of follies though...
It’s the one time we get to see the rest of the air wing happy on the boat!
Or a pier side crane. Which is how the LHD gets harrier motors now.