So the P3 NatopsNazis can have yet another set of questions.. "How many panels in the chute" "How much 550 cord" etc....
Got to be the only reason I can think of. No one has ever bailed out of one.
So the P3 NatopsNazis can have yet another set of questions.. "How many panels in the chute" "How much 550 cord" etc....
Got to be the only reason I can think of. No one has ever bailed out of one.
The ops directed IPC is still used, usually in the case of multiple unsats in a block of training that don't meet the criteria for an IPC/FPC.
The ready room unsat in MPTS is still a good tool for sending a message and has plenty of teeth. It is rarely used, only because IPs usually don't want to send a kid to an IPC after one bad brief. I haven't used it yet, but I have come plenty close and have threatened it to onwings on a few occasions.
As for RRU, I don't like it for two reasons.
1. A student goes straight to the IPC/FPC process, which is good. The student should get that kind of a scare. But, assuming the student passes the progress check, the impact on the final grade is pretty much nil.
2. Because of the way the rules work, if a student gets a RRU on an End of Block or check-ride, they will basically get an extra training flight.
??? you ask? Well, here's an example. Student goes to C4204 brief and the IP gives a RRU. The IP must grade the event Unsat/Incomplete. Assuming the student passes the IPC(R)/FPC(R), he comes back to the IP and completes the C4204, since it was incomplete. But wait, since the incomplete portion of the event was unsat, the IP must grade the event unsat when they fly it and complete it. Since it is the end of block, student flies another C4204.
Give the RRU more teeth with respect to final grade and remove the EOB/Check flight anomoly, and the RRU would be a much better tool.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, but if I was under the impression that if you get a RRU that the event is over right then, no flight.
It is, but since you're actually initiating a gradesheet (despite there being no NAVFLIR), the event has to, by definition, be complete or incomplete. Since neither 75% of the hours nor 75% of the graded items have been completed, it's UNSAT/INCOMPLETE. Personally I think, as an on-wing, you probably haven't done your job if you've let your stud get to 4204 and unsat for something like the brief, but that doesn't change the facts as Heloanjin describes them.
Yeah, that part I understand. The way I read (or misread) Heloanjin's post is the stud would get two flights in the plane for the C4204, which didn't make sense to me.
Yeah, that part I understand. The way I read (or misread) Heloanjin's post is the stud would get two flights in the plane for the C4204, which didn't make sense to me.
This was a bit of a fictional scenario. Hopefully, an IP won't let their stud RRU this late. However, there are many EOB flights where this could easily happen...and did. I always argued there should have been a mechanism in MPTS that would preclude the additional training flight.Personally I think, as an on-wing, you probably haven't done your job if you've let your stud get to 4204 and unsat for something like the brief, but that doesn't change the facts as Heloanjin describes them.
Since neither 75% of the hours nor 75% of the graded items have been completed, it's UNSAT/INCOMPLETE.
RetreadRand said:What would cause someone to get an end of block ready room down?
I know it was pretty common practice for on-wings to unsat studs for the 4204 (especially if the flight could go either way), but a ready room down? you have to be pretty dicked up to get a ready room down that late? To me that is just inexcusable. I could understand on your first or second flight not really understanding or knowing what is expected...but that late in training?
RetreadRand said:I meant inexcusable by the STUD not the IP....
This was a bit of a fictional scenario. Hopefully, an IP won't let their stud RRU this late. However, there are many EOB flights where this could easily happen...and did. I always argued there should have been a mechanism in MPTS that would preclude the additional training flight.
BTW, and not to get off the subject, but unless there has been a change, you don't need to complete 75% of the graded items. You just need to train for 75% of the hours per X. Not that any good IP would spend that much training time in the air doing so little.
So the P3 NatopsNazis can have yet another set of questions.. "How many panels in the chute" "How much 550 cord" etc....
No, you may have isolated cases of some jackassery, but there have been huge strides in our community to focus on core system knowledge (and stay out of the weeds). The post you responded to, it was basically a bullshit post from someone who doesn't know jack shit about the MPRA community, and spreading a useless stereotype.Do people REALLY ask gay questions like that? If someone did that in one of my squadrons, we would have thrown them overboard.