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Approach Turn Tumble

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TurnandBurn55

TurnandBurn55

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Interesting...

Semantics, I know, but in our FTI it was 'Max Relax Level Ball'... I had a ton of problem with this, too, but it was getting INTO the stall... I always let my AOB out when I pulled back on the stick. Tricky procedure.. lot tougher than the spin, I thought

As far as the spin, I'm surprised by Demento saying the AOA gauge isn't worked into the scan. It's beaten into our heads incessantly that as soon you start to fall out of the sky... we should be calling out "Altitude... AOA... Airspeed... Turn Needle" right up until the Airspeed gets to 120 knots, then initiate recovery. My on-wing made me do it over and over again until I was making those calls just automatically.
 
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"AoA is a great tool that is not often worked into the SNA scan pattern until they do Spins."

In spins, you are, or should be, taught the OCF scan. Not sure what you read, but I know what I wrote. If you don't include the AoA into your OCF scan during a spin, you are missing a trick. Until you have taught someone how to fly, you might not understand what I meant by "crawl, walk, run."

Your ref to 120 knots has what to do with the Approach Turn Stall? Or were you morphing the conversation toward the Spin, a different maneuver?

If you can work the AoA guage into your ATS recovery, all to the good! If not, you can fly a good ATS recovery without once looking at the AoA guage by simply using a good VFR scan an using he rudder shakers as a cue to your approach to a secondary stall as you recover. It depends on how fast your scan is at that point.

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TurnandBurn55 said:
Interesting...

Semantics, I know, but in our FTI it was 'Max Relax Level Ball'... I had a ton of problem with this, too, but it was getting INTO the stall... I always let my AOB out when I pulled back on the stick. Tricky procedure.. lot tougher than the spin, I thought

As far as the spin, I'm surprised by Demento saying the AOA gauge isn't worked into the scan. It's beaten into our heads incessantly that as soon you start to fall out of the sky... we should be calling out "Altitude... AOA... Airspeed... Turn Needle" right up until the Airspeed gets to 120 knots, then initiate recovery. My on-wing made me do it over and over again until I was making those calls just automatically.
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TurnandBurn55

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Whoops, my bad dawg... misread you earlier talking about the spin... thought you said AoA wasn't incorporated enough in the scan during spin recovery... had me scratching my head there... ignore me, I'm an idiot ;)
 
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No biggie

TurnandBurn55 said:
Whoops, my bad dawg... misread you earlier talking about the spin... thought you said AoA wasn't incorporated enough in the scan during spin recovery... had me scratching my head there... ignore me, I'm an idiot ;)
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I speed read too, sometimes, and end up doing the same thing. :icon_mi_1
 
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