hmmm....
McNamara-
where is it exactly that these axioms exist in time and space? your language is vague. i don't buy it man. not at all. the very fact that you say time and space had a beginning is contradictory to a lot of what you are saying. there is no beginning in a undefinable reality.
or were you being metaphoric? i think you are mistaken to think that we have some kind of intrinic survival knowledge. what is your proof empirically for that? there is evidence to say quite the opposite...just wondering where you are coming from.
LTJGPayne-
I for one agree with you. we all need to READ all of the time. and not just philosophy or science. however, i consider myself a person who has delved into the sphere of many different types of books, east and west, one of the many responsibilities of an atheist or a non-believer is to make sure you are not ignorant of others and that you give other theories a chance. so, i am unsure of your exact point. most often be wary of anyone who uses a quote to demonstrate their argument. as you know texts are living documents that should not just be quoted. there is much those authors layed down. it is very unfair at times to just quote them. and emerson had eggs and toast brought to him every morning...by his wife...so much for that example of living by a philosophy...or do you disagree?
jester-
i really don't know where you are coming from by saying a "circle would have 180 degree" even if we did not define it that way. it is a circle, defined, by words, our words. human words. some may not recognize 180 degrees is part of the definition of a circle, but the abilty to do so, and that someone already did and like Archimedies attempted to measure that makes it a posteriori. do you think that is valid?
hmm....i am not sure what to say about the faith commments. not really my realm. but they were interesting comments. any more ideas?
AdJ
McNamara-
where is it exactly that these axioms exist in time and space? your language is vague. i don't buy it man. not at all. the very fact that you say time and space had a beginning is contradictory to a lot of what you are saying. there is no beginning in a undefinable reality.
LTJGPayne-
I for one agree with you. we all need to READ all of the time. and not just philosophy or science. however, i consider myself a person who has delved into the sphere of many different types of books, east and west, one of the many responsibilities of an atheist or a non-believer is to make sure you are not ignorant of others and that you give other theories a chance. so, i am unsure of your exact point. most often be wary of anyone who uses a quote to demonstrate their argument. as you know texts are living documents that should not just be quoted. there is much those authors layed down. it is very unfair at times to just quote them. and emerson had eggs and toast brought to him every morning...by his wife...so much for that example of living by a philosophy...or do you disagree?
jester-
i really don't know where you are coming from by saying a "circle would have 180 degree" even if we did not define it that way. it is a circle, defined, by words, our words. human words. some may not recognize 180 degrees is part of the definition of a circle, but the abilty to do so, and that someone already did and like Archimedies attempted to measure that makes it a posteriori. do you think that is valid?
hmm....i am not sure what to say about the faith commments. not really my realm. but they were interesting comments. any more ideas?
AdJ