Annoying Pilots

[a_m]

liveatc.com definately helped me to get through primary and intermediate to a point where I feel comfortable on the radios.

 

[Machine]

Another annoying thing, this time from ATC. If you mean for me to switch to 120.475, than say that. Do not say 120.47 and just let me figure it out. You're just sitting at your ^%#@$ desk so say the whole damn freq. It will help my lonely chimp mind to cope...

From the FAAO 7110.65R (ATC's bible):

j. Frequencies.

1. The separate digits of the frequency, inserting
the word “point” where the decimal point occurs.

(a) Omit digits after the second digit to the
right of the decimal point.​

 

[Sly1978]

I just got on this thread, but I have to agree whole-heartedly. The problem here is not the pilots, it's the other side of the comms. There's one individual at metro especially who is friendly as can be, but when you're trying to launch on a 15 minute alert you don't want to spend five of those minutes listening to him tell you that it's hot and dusty outside.

 

[SemperGumbi]

... It's almost a bad cliche to hear a pilot say "Standby for the flash" after that. To me, that has super geek written all over it. How about "Roger?"...

I have no idea your background, but is it perhaps a helo/prop think to think that "Reaper 7 with a flash" or whatever is awful?

I remember in Primary hearing P-3 and Helo pilots go on and on about how much they hated it. When I got to advanced it was all I heard. Different strokes?

But to add to pet peaves, when I am on Center on a Uniform and hear, "Switch to 2-8-2-2-5" then switch to 282.25 only to be greeted by silence, I get annoyed. If I am possibly on a Uniform (which I usually am with center) how about throwing me either a "1-2-8-2-2-5," or a "decimal" in there.

But oh well.

 

[Brett327]

Speaking of comm abortions, I heard the absolute worst ever example last week here at NUW. No surprise, it was a P-3, first clobbering up ground by requesting then receiving an excruciatingly long clearance (I hear they have a whole separate freq for that), THEN completely screwing up the read-back on a DP that is totally standard ops for the local area! Jesus Christ! I don't know what folks are doing at other bases, but when I read-back a clearance for a canned route, I read-back the departure button and the squawk - that's it. Everything else is standard - it's canned for a reason.

Brett

 

[plc67]

At your busiest airports the ATIS will often tell you to only read back your transponder code and ATIS unless you have a question when receiving your clearance.
My pet peeve is to be on approach in IMC being vectored for a final turn on to the ILS when someone comes on freq and delivers the Gettysburg Address while the loc is coming alive and the controller can't get a word in to give me the final intercept heading and clear me for the approach.

 

[Semper Jump Jet]

From the FAAO 7110.65R (ATC's bible):
From the FAAO 7110.65R (ATC's bible):


Quote:


j. Frequencies.

1. The separate digits of the frequency, inserting​

the word “point” where the decimal point occurs.

(a) Omit digits after the second digit to the​

right of the decimal point.​

Yeah, and I bet you were the one who read the rules to Monopoly too. I can't argue with the pub, but I'll sure try. The single most screwed up radio comm in the ATC world is the freq readback/switch. (I can't back this up so it won't help to prove me wrong) Simply reading all six digits, as is the requirement in Europe and other parts of the world, would actually save time.

 

[Brett327]

Yeah, and I bet you were the one who read the rules to Monopoly too. I can't argue with the pub, but I'll sure try. The single most screwed up radio comm in the ATC world is the freq readback/switch. (I can't back this up so it won't help to prove me wrong) Simply reading all six digits, as is the requirement in Europe and other parts of the world, would actually save time.

Why would you even worry about the 6th digit in the US when it's not even used? It's completely superfluous comm. When in Europe, act accordingly.

Brett

 

[Semper Jump Jet]

Why would you even worry about the 6th digit in the US when it's not even used? It's completely superfluous comm. When in Europe, act accordingly.

Brett

It is used, not as often but that would make it even more important to be explicit and read the whole damn freq. I KNOW when told to push 132.22 it means 132.225, it's not a big deal but a small pet peave that occasionally arises. Using that logic we should be able to drop the first digit off the altimeter too, right? "Set 0.10" obviously means 30.10, but I don't hear that 'time saver' being used.

What are you doing up now anyway? :icon_wink

 

[Brett327]

It is used, not as often but that would make it even more important to be explicit and read the whole damn freq. I KNOW when told to push 132.22 it means 132.225, it's not a big deal but a small pet peave that occasionally arises. Using that logic we should be able to drop the first digit off the altimeter too, right? "Set 0.10" obviously means 30.10, but I don't hear that 'time saver' being used.

What are you doing up now anyway? :icon_wink

I have never heard a controller use the 6th digit in CONUS. Again, what would be the point? It's not like there's a 132.226. Again, superfluous comm. Now, dropping off the first number for VHF is another story altogether, but now you're mixing analogies. BTW, lots of folks drop the first digit of an altimeter setting - I hear it all the time both on readbacks and in ICS comms.

Brett

 

[MIDNJAC]

But to add to pet peaves, when I am on Center on a Uniform and hear, "Switch to 2-8-2-2-5" then switch to 282.25 only to be greeted by silence, I get annoyed. If I am possibly on a Uniform (which I usually am with center) how about throwing me either a "1-2-8-2-2-5," or a "decimal" in there.

But oh well.

Wouldn't that put you just a little outside the VHF comms range?

 

[nittany03]

Apparently 121.X freqs mean you can drop off the whole first three digits; I remember being told "Contact ground point niner" all the time flying out of Pensacola Regional.

 

[Schnugg]

Bad: a hornet RAG instructor bitching about how shitty and slow the CQ deck is working while holding overhead on base while a squadronmate has his radio relay unknowingly selected to tower...

 

[FrankTheTank]

Apparently 121.X freqs mean you can drop off the whole first three digits; I remember being told "Contact ground point niner" all the time flying out of Pensacola Regional

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That one threw me for a loop when I first started working here.. "Blah, blah, contact ground on point 65 at Spot whatever.." But now have gotten use to it and don't have to look at my Jepps/LIDO and try to decifer what the heck he/she mean't.. Heard it at lots of places.. Seems that .9, .65, and .8 are the common ground freqs..

BTW Go Jags! :football_

 

[FrankTheTank]

Witnessed this one from time to time..

Prowlers during man-up/hot-switch some how switching their ICS over to their main radio and listening to some very interesting conversations on tower.. Funny when you were on the launch but not so funny watching the boss rip into the Powler rep in pri-fly...