should have read more thoroughly, just a repost of what HAL said.
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Anatomy of a Tragedy: Air France 447
- Thread starter Catmando
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Does your air speed indicator read 0? OK, mine, too!
exhelodrvr said:
Hehehe...
lots of shaking + barely hear each other yell = Vne - 5kts
lots of shaking + lots of noise = Vne - 10kts
everything else = meh (especially if you're flying through a P-3 traffic pattern)
... simple!
You just gotta make sure neither one of you puts his earplugs in too deep or the noise part won't be calibrated... but that's on preflight.
Funny you bring this up...
In the E-6, on the rare occasion you refuse a landing and make it a touch-n-go vice a full stop, we were required to advance the throttles first so the engines wouldn't revert to ground idle (4 sec weight on wheels). The spool up time from ground idle would cause you to roll off the end of the runway short of rotate speed. Stowing the boards got you instant lift so they were second in this situation only. Conversely, if a pilot took to long easing the nose down on a touch-n-go, and the engines had time to spool down to ground idle, you were forced to abort.
...and for the Monday morning quaterbacks/ people scratching their heads...
This was taught to IPs to help you battle the 3p/2p screwups if a touch-n-go was desired but they tried to initiate a full stop out of habit.
I watched this http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/crash-flight-447.html on Netflix streaming.
It's a pretty interesting guess of what they thought brought the A330 down. PBS says it's premiering in Feb 2011, but I just watched it.
It's a pretty interesting guess of what they thought brought the A330 down. PBS says it's premiering in Feb 2011, but I just watched it.
Interesting. A pitot static failure seemed to me like one of those emergencies that always happened to the other guy, until it didn't. Kingsville to El Paso, I'm -2 with an IP in the back. Lead has a stud up front, IP in the back as well. Leave krock in the late evening, uneventful climb to FL280 in combat spread. I notice that my altimeter is showing us 1500 ft low about an hour into the trip; we are closer to ELP by this time. Point it out to the IP and he asks lead "what gives?" Lead tells us that he shows us at FL280, imn about .8 or so. We ask ATC for a radar hit and sure enough it's us with a bad system. Execute proper NATOPS, can't get it back. Long story short, had to shoot a section approach through the weather at night into ELP. Altimeter showed us 6000 ft low on deck and the airspeed had failed to 0. The scary part about it was the way it failed. Very gradual. Had we been a single we probably wouldn't have noticed until center said something or we noticed our power setting be abnormally high. Great experience in hindsight. Can't imagine having that problem over the Atlantic.
Without getting into the specifics of the flight -- it might have been a 'short release' ... happens all the time when flyin' the 'big water' ...
The article was written by a correspondent -- one Gerald Traufetter. He doesn't have a fucking clue how to dispatch an international flight over the 'pond' from point 'A' to 'B' ... and not an international experienced pilot, I am sure ...
BIG DIFFERENCE.
Your 'prof' is a theoretician ... not an operator. As such, he's clueless ...
If it can 'work' ... it can fail ...
If you can 'do it right' ... you can do it wrong ...
Anyone can be a Blue Angel or a plumber ... just depends on what day of the week it is ...
ALWAYS keep your head on a swivel & cover your '6' ...
Some things don't change ...
Wow, just watched the Nova program on AF 447 (streaming on NetFlix). Well done show -- as well as a news outlet could do hiring it's own investigators to double-check and reinterpret the data that the French accident investigation has provided (and adding in some of their own evidence).
Highly recommend watching it if you have a NetFlix account.
Highly recommend watching it if you have a NetFlix account.
rightnwrong
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Very interesting Catmando . Hope you have other interesting anatomy.
And you're BANNED, asshole.Very interesting Catmando . Hope you have other interesting anatomy.
SFO, indeed ... how ARE things in Angeles City these days ??? More to the point -- how's your Mother???
On now for those interested.