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Airspeed Restriction Below "B"
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This brings up a thread jack I've been wondering about. Do all of the other communities have to deal with the admin nightmare post flight? Since we lost Nalcomis, we now have to log the flight in OOMA, then strip the mntx card, then upstairs to log the flight again in SHARP and then log an ASAP report as well. Basically it's 30 minutes before we can even start our de-brief process.
We started out that way - NALCOMIS...then OOMA...then OOMA for maintenance and MSHARP for Ops (and stand the hell by if OOMA and MSHARP weren't a perfect match)...and finally MSHARP only (Maint Admin would download MSHARP NAVFLIRS into OOMA for the maintenance side of things).
Now I've moved on to TIMS.
NALCOMIS, OOMA, SHARP, MSHARP, and TIMS...oh, and Yellow Sheets. Have I missed any flight records systems?
I miss the multiple quote button...
Unfortunately, ASAP doesn't actually prevent anything bad happening to you. Yes it's anonymous, but as such, it's not like you can't still get violated unanonymously...or at least yelled at by the Wing for doing something that may have been perfectly legal.
The controller in question is actually a VERY good controller and would come in for IGS and always had/has the IP's best interest in mind. He was able to keep up just fine, he was just reminding by buddy about the rules, which was completely within reason.
I don't pretend to equate a T-34 or even a T-6 with a pointy-nose and its speed, but the sheer volume of traffic combined with a person at the controls whose brain is operating at about 80 knots makes this a completely reasonable request. While I was there, there was on giant asshole who ususally worked the southern area, otherwise the controllers were pretty forgiving and pretty good considering they were moving Class B levels of traffic with Class C manning. And when they needed to in order to fix a problem, you would get the "I need all instructors to answer radio calls..." and things would get sorted.
Unfortunately, ASAP doesn't actually prevent anything bad happening to you. Yes it's anonymous, but as such, it's not like you can't still get violated unanonymously...or at least yelled at by the Wing for doing something that may have been perfectly legal.
Your story sounds like something similar that happened to me working out of Opa Locka a few months ago (sans CAP). We did everything right and talked to Approach to let them know we were leaving the ADIZ (for a gunnex) and would need to reenter. They gave us a squawk and said to call them when we were back up (I explained we'd be out of radio due to altitude for an hour). When we came back up and checked in, again explaining why we were there, they let us come back into the ADIZ w/out incident. Turns out FASFAC was freaked out about something (the same FASFAC I've tried to call when flying off the boat in previous experience and who wouldn't answer) and wondered where we were coming from. They called the Coast Guard station (our base) to see what was going on, since they assumed it was them. Contrary to popular belief, you don't actually need MODE 4 to penetrate an ADIZ and that was WAY beyond FASFAC's SA (among other things). In the end it wasn't that big a deal (I was the HAC and had the CO as my co-pilot, so he knew we did everything right), but still annoying.phrog73 said:
RLSO said:
The controller in question is actually a VERY good controller and would come in for IGS and always had/has the IP's best interest in mind. He was able to keep up just fine, he was just reminding by buddy about the rules, which was completely within reason.
I don't pretend to equate a T-34 or even a T-6 with a pointy-nose and its speed, but the sheer volume of traffic combined with a person at the controls whose brain is operating at about 80 knots makes this a completely reasonable request. While I was there, there was on giant asshole who ususally worked the southern area, otherwise the controllers were pretty forgiving and pretty good considering they were moving Class B levels of traffic with Class C manning. And when they needed to in order to fix a problem, you would get the "I need all instructors to answer radio calls..." and things would get sorted.
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Really? That's unfortunate.
I realize that "anonymous" is a misnomer, especially when one ASAP is submitted from the only line on the schedule, but that leaves the possibility that potentially important information isn't going to be shared (due to possible retribution). Oh well.
I think Gator meant that in the sense that ASAP is not a get-out-of-jail-free card (which a NASA report can be under most circumstances).
When it comes to retribution, anecdotally I've seen some training commands treat a particularly ASAP juicy report a lot like privileged information and avoid trying to narrow down whodunnit- while strongly hinting with, "If you write something in an ASAP report then you can still come forward and talk to someone in Safety about it." (As it turned out the report in question really was a big misunderstanding.)
Yeah, it gets billed as a program "like the airlines use, where if you report something, it gives you some leeway..." but that's not how it's actually managed. And talk to an airline pilot sometime about how their program works compared to ASAP and it's nowhere near the same.
My question was always: if it's anonymous, how do you know I haven't done it? Apparently the answer is if NO ONE is doing it in your command, then they know. True story.
Just an msharp. Unless you dropped a GBU or fired the laser
Eh, my only gripe with ASAP is that (thanks to NMCI...or TIMS...) it takes foooooreeeeevvvvveeeerrrr to log on and sign in just to click a button that says that nothing happened, and then it takes foooooorrreeeeevvvveeeerrrr to log off of the computer. It's seriously taken 10+ minutes at times, especially depending on which computer you're stuck with at the time. (There's one slow mofo computer in particular that I'm going to go all "Resurrection" on...some of you know which one I'm talking about...) 
I think ASAP will make more "sense" when it's paired with HUMS/IMDS/whatever flight recorder you have in the unholy alliance of Military Flight Operations Quality Assurance (MFOQA). Your aircraft will be recording all the stupid things you're not telling Mom and Dad about, but after the flight it will flag maintenance control that limits have been exceeded.
Xs less than ASAPs = people aren't doing it.