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AF Pisses On One Of Their Own
- Thread starter Mumbles
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I just don't get it. Why does it have to be that way? Why?
I have to imagine that this is someone who was lost in paperwork...
Sounds like the people at all levels got hung up on the letter of the law and not the spirit. I doubt that anyone is out there consciously trying to piss on this guys good day.
were only getting one side of the story.
Sounds like the people at all levels got hung up on the letter of the law and not the spirit. I doubt that anyone is out there consciously trying to piss on this guys good day.
were only getting one side of the story.
Side note...
I had my long form physical last Thursday. I was alone in the head when I pissed in the container. I then placed the container on one of those turnstile thingies, turned it around a left the head.
We also had a command urinalysis yesterday. Typical... roll your sleeves up, hold the bottle up while waking to the head and the MA conducted his meat gazing collateral duty while you piss.
Physical at NASCCTX...no custody
Urinalysis at NASCCTX...positive control
FWIW, I would think a drug screen is done at the physical but I don't know for sure.
For other dudes....have you ever even heard of a false positive that wasn't backed up immediately with another test?
OBTW, my prostate is fine. Thanks for asking
I had my long form physical last Thursday. I was alone in the head when I pissed in the container. I then placed the container on one of those turnstile thingies, turned it around a left the head.
We also had a command urinalysis yesterday. Typical... roll your sleeves up, hold the bottle up while waking to the head and the MA conducted his meat gazing collateral duty while you piss.
Physical at NASCCTX...no custody
Urinalysis at NASCCTX...positive control
FWIW, I would think a drug screen is done at the physical but I don't know for sure.
For other dudes....have you ever even heard of a false positive that wasn't backed up immediately with another test?
OBTW, my prostate is fine. Thanks for asking
Concur...In all my years every "false" positive was backed up immediately with another test. Every one was postive again.
Does the Navy do split samples these days? It doesn't solve for all potential problems, like custody, but is helpful. I used to hate it when I was still in the Reserves. Pee in the bottle for both the Navy and the airline in the same month sometimes.
I'm skeptical, too. How much active duty was he doing prior to applying for the position? How long since his previous urinalysis? How long did it take to get the initial report back? How long was his hair? How long does that drug stay in your system? All those would factor in to the believability of his story.
It is also pretty unlikely that samples were mixed up, or deliberately tampered with.
On the other hand, I definitely don't like the idea of using the results of a urine sample for this purpose unless you are going to have the "chain of custody" security.
It is also pretty unlikely that samples were mixed up, or deliberately tampered with.
On the other hand, I definitely don't like the idea of using the results of a urine sample for this purpose unless you are going to have the "chain of custody" security.
Indeed, if there's career-denial involved, there sure as hell better be some positive control as well!
I've only heard of a classmate of mine in a Navy school once being required to take several follow-ups because of some "two out of three" failures in their random urinalysis. I don't know of the details, nor do I know the details in urinalysis in general. I truly hate the whole process, in fact. I can understand the need for it, but I still really, really hate it.
The whole no-appeal and you-lose-everything aspects of it cause a bit of apprehension, even though I personally would never use any illegal drugs.
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EDIT: Playing devi's advocate here, but could it be possible that this urinalysis simply did its job and found an unlikely, and otherwise unknown drug-user? Cocaine doesn't take long to leave your system for a follow up test and hair can be cut pretty damn short.
Also, for some of us, our hair only dates back to a couple weeks worth of info . . .
The hair doesn't have to come from your head...