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A400M Makes Maiden Flight.....Finally

ACowboyinTexas

Armed and Dangerous
pilot
Contributor
Holy cow, the "savior of NATO" finally takes wings! I remember when I was on a NATO staff, it was amusing to listen to them talk about how great the A400 was going to be and how independent it was going to make them, dissolving the oppressive chains of their C-130/C-17 slave masters...mheh.
 

whitesoxnation

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
Hahaha @ how their insistence on using a European company to do the engine work instead of UTX resulted in a lot of the delays. The buyers can cancel their orders if they want to and get a refund because March was a deadline for it's first flight, wouldn't that be nice. Hopefully Boeing can capitalize on EADS (EuropeAn Designed Shit) mistakes and put a hurting on their A350 (787 first flight next week?).

Isn't their breakeven point on the A380 over 500 aircraft, and they've only sold just over 200? They violate free trade rules and they still can't get it right.
 

Vegas

AH-1Z
pilot
I have very little knowlege on military transport planes but why would newer military transports continue to have prop engines? It seems to me (speculation) that jets would increase range and speed of the aircraft significantly both of which seem to be very important for transport aircraft. Again I really dont know and that is why I am asking.
 

PropAddict

Now with even more awesome!
pilot
Contributor
I have very little knowlege on military transport planes but why would newer military transports continue to have prop engines? It seems to me (speculation) that jets would increase range and speed of the aircraft significantly both of which seem to be very important for transport aircraft. Again I really dont know and that is why I am asking.


Props are better at low altitudes and generally, burn much less fuel than jets.

There's also the small/unimproved airfield scenario, where props tend to have a slight edge.
 

Beans

*1. Loins... GIRD
pilot
I have very little knowlege on military transport planes but why would newer military transports continue to have prop engines? It seems to me (speculation) that jets would increase range and speed of the aircraft significantly both of which seem to be very important for transport aircraft. Again I really dont know and that is why I am asking.

Props have a ten-fold advantage over turbofans when it comes to bypass ratio, which has an big affect on propulsive efficiency. When you want to go above M=0.6 or relatively high, props lose their advantage over jets. Also, props have much more of their thrust available at zero velocity, making STOL easier.

If you want to get there really fast: turbojets.
If you want to get there fast, turbofans are the way to go.
If you want to go slow/land short/save gas, turboprops.
If you want to go really slow/land really short/be a real man, helos.
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
....If you want to....be a real man, helos.

READ: they ... (the "real men", in the post above) .... don't like to wear underwear/U-Trou ... they went 'commando' before anyone conjured up the term ... as NONE of our HELO-guys overtaxed the ship's laundry w/ u-trou ... and just to make a point: they liked to 'un'zip their Zoom Bags (low & slow bags for HELO-guys???) down to the navel (not Naval) ... :eek::yuck_125:

Plus ... they were always 'sweaty' ...
:yuck_125:

Hey!!! This post makes as much sense as 50% of the other posts on this thread ...
 

Beans

*1. Loins... GIRD
pilot
READ: they ... (the "real men", in the post above) .... don't like to wear underwear/U-Trou ... they went 'commando' before anyone conjured up the term ... as NONE of our HELO-guys overtaxed the ship's laundry w/ u-trou ... and just to make a point: they liked to 'un'zip their Zoom Bags (low & slow bags for HELO-guys???) down to the navel (not Naval) ... :eek::yuck_125:

Plus ... they were always 'sweaty' ...
:yuck_125:

Hey!!! This post makes as much sense as 50% of the other posts on this thread ...

This is the second post I've seen from you regarding the undergarment choices of unrestricted naval aviators from years past. There must be some deeply disturbing story behind all of this... so I must ask: when they failed to wear u-trou and let the zippers fall to the navel, did you doubt they were men? :)
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
This is the second post I've seen from you... :)
Then you are reading wa-a-a-a-a-a-a-ay too many of my posts ...

'What goes on cruise ... stays on cruise.'

We coined that phrase 3-4 decades before Vegas ever had a clue ... :D
 

CAMike

Well-Known Member
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Then you are reading wa-a-a-a-a-a-a-ay too many of my posts ...

'What goes on cruise ... stays on cruise.'

We coined that phrase 3-4 decades before Vegas ever had a clue ... :D


And even that marketing ploy CREATED by the Board of Tourism in Las Vegas marketing isn't entirely accurate. I mean even Tiger was foolish enough to believe "What happens in Vegas -stays in Vegas". WRONG!

end threadjack break.
 

Fog

Old RIOs never die: They just can't fast-erect
None
Contributor
We'll never learn how many billions of $$ EADS will lose on this aircraft. I think it is 150% over-budget & they have ~ 150 sold. All because their silly european pride wouldn't let them buy a turboprop engine not made in Europe. Between this & the A380, this company would already be in Chapter 11 if it were a U.S. manufacturer.
 
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