Yeah, and every day underway when we flew I had a 14-16hr workday in tower. Just because I was at work doesn't mean I was straining myself with stressful work; there was lots of staring at the water, bullshitting, doing crosswords, reading.If you're in P-3/P-8 and you have a flight its a full 16 hour work day at least. Unless its an easy home cycle flight, but even then a short day is probably about 10 hours.
You win, your life sucks the most.9-10 hour flight in P-3/P-8 means 3 hours beforehand of briefing/preflight/troubleshooting/coordinating with various BWCs before you even get off deck (and that assumes everything is working correctly) and on the back end 1 hour gripe writing/crew debrief, and then post mission product creation/Monday morning quarterbacking. Oh and then you've got to deal with ground job shit (at least clearing out the inbox) to avoid getting shit on. At least 16 hour day right there. And as a TACCO inflight those 9-10 hours you're herding cats the whole time. If you have a long transit to the oparea you'll have some time to cook a meal or something, but at least on my crew I spent the time updating shit in chat and beating up my AWs to, you know, actually do their jobs and monitor radar for safety of flight purposes, and on the back end writing the purple.
I highly doubt that many JOs work 12hr days. They may be at work for 12hrs, but it's not like they're laying bricks or doing differential equations the entire time.
Thats all we VP guys need to hear. We're too scared and cautious to ACTUALLY be aggressive, but if we feel like our lives suck hard enough, and we spent long enough in preflight, we can take solace in thinking that we bring something to the fight.You win, your life sucks the most.
I highly doubt that many JOs work 12hr days. They may be at work for 12hrs, but it's not like they're laying bricks or doing differential equations the entire time.
If you're in P-3/P-8 and you have a flight its a full 16 hour work day at least. Unless its an easy home cycle flight, but even then a short day is probably about 10 hours.
...P-3/P-8...At least 16 hour day right there...
Right on. I didn't intend to turn this in to a measuring contest, but I thought the "12hr days + 5hrs at home" answers were a bit off base for a "typical day" and that I'd wager that over the course of a three year JO tour most guys average 9-10hrs a day at work which leaves some time for a life, a spouse, etc.I wasn't trying to say that one would spend 15 hours writing evals. When I was a divo, I probably cut the evals for my 3 shops in about a dedicated couple hours total. Actually, divo was probably the least time consuming ground job I had. My point was that in a work day, there was certainly some non-working time just hanging around the ready room, so it isn't just sitting there for the amount of time I mentioned at a computer typing up random busy work. I also wouldn't say that most "fast mover" flights are 1.5-3.0. Maybe back at the beach, but on cruise, most are 6.0+, unless you get lucky and catch a night prof or one of the few ULT events. I agree that you can spend an hour or two doing your ground job, but I would say that the "a lot of studying" you speak of can be very large amounts of time. Especially once you are doing level III/IV. Maybe I just sucked at studying. I'd say the 2-3 flights per week was not my experience at really any point in time during my JO tour (normally 4-5 if not more), but I'm sure mileage varies by squadron/airwing and platform there. Whatever though, my posts keep getting severely misinterpreted, so if you need me, I will be down in the wardroom doing my other job of complaining about the food....