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College performance in the fleet

BackOrdered

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You people and your silly games. You're just proving my point!

I'd always laugh when sitting at the wardroom table with several other pilots and we're all the same rank. The poor Enisgns and young Jaygees didn't know what to do. Even more comical when it's a bunch of O4s and an O5 who is senior to the ship's CO but ship's CO is also at the table. "Do I ask the pilot O5 or the ship's CO?" <mindblown>

The point still stands, lol.
 

PenguinGal

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Where your GPA will matter is your lineal number, as it will have the long term effect on when you get O-4 pinned on provided you get selected.

I was under the impression that your lineal number changed when you put on O3. Is this not the case?
 

CommodoreMid

Whateva! I do what I want!
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Never did the math to see if/how mine changed exactly, but as far as my community's bubba list our relative precedence compared to each other was the same as before the O-3 promotion.
 

Pags

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You people and your silly games. You're just proving my point!

I'd always laugh when sitting at the wardroom table with several other pilots and we're all the same rank. The poor Enisgns and young Jaygees didn't know what to do. Even more comical when it's a bunch of O4s and an O5 who is senior to the ship's CO but ship's CO is also at the table. "Do I ask the pilot O5 or the ship's CO?" <mindblown>
SWOiest thing I've ever seen was a bunch of SWOs writing an instruction to clearly delineate who got to be the Bull and the JORG.
 

squeeze

Retired Harrier Dude
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I could see that being a big deal for SWOs, as the Bull here has his own parking spot on the pier.

Does that really matter in SWOdom? Pretty much the going rule at the squadron was any billet-marked parking spot that was held by a JO was fair game. Sure, some people got their panties in a wad, but they can't actually do anything. If I were a JG without a spot, I think I'd park in the bull ensign spot every single day.
 

BigRed389

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Does that really matter in SWOdom? Pretty much the going rule at the squadron was any billet-marked parking spot that was held by a JO was fair game. Sure, some people got their panties in a wad, but they can't actually do anything. If I were a JG without a spot, I think I'd park in the bull ensign spot every single day.

The Bull basically gets away with what everyone else lets him/her get away with, so...yeah, it depends.
 

BackOrdered

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SWOiest thing I've ever seen was a bunch of SWOs writing an instruction to clearly delineate who got to be the Bull and the JORG.

I'll see that and raise you this.

The "turnover letter" for JORG (complete with an inventory of JORG items) was re-routed for correction no less than a dozen times over the course of months.

Does that really matter in SWOdom?

Oh dear, the fight over a DH's parking space by the DIVOs when he/she took leave was epic!
 
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Pags

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Does that really matter in SWOdom? Pretty much the going rule at the squadron was any billet-marked parking spot that was held by a JO was fair game. Sure, some people got their panties in a wad, but they can't actually do anything. If I were a JG without a spot, I think I'd park in the bull ensign spot every single day.
SWOdom is a weird world and the Baby SWOs love instructions and rules.

In lieu of the standard "wardroom lounge" BHR had a "SWO Training Room" that the JO SWOs jealously guarded from all others to include DHs, Air Dept, SARDET, and the entirety of the Green Side. I was in there one day checking my email when an un-pinned ENS came up to me and said "the sign on the door says SWO training room. you're not a SWO, you need to leave."
me: "uh huh. i'll be done in a second"
ENS: "no really, you're not a SWO, you need to get out. The sign says SWO"
me: "you're not even pinned yet. do you have an OOD letter yet?"
ENS: "well, no"
me: "I do, so until then I'm more of a SWO then you so beat it."

This was common place jackassery from our JOs. Both the SARDET and the VMA hung up signs on the door over the existing SWO Training Room sign on different occasions (the Air Dept may have egged them on) that resulted in much JO teeth gnashing and childish behavior from the SWOs.
 

BackOrdered

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@Pags

If you are studying for boards, why would you not want DHs and other warfare SMEs in the training room? That's just silly.
 

squeeze

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SWOdom is a weird world and the Baby SWOs love instructions and rules.

In lieu of the standard "wardroom lounge" BHR had a "SWO Training Room" that the JO SWOs jealously guarded from all others to include DHs, Air Dept, SARDET, and the entirety of the Green Side. I was in there one day checking my email when an un-pinned ENS came up to me and said "the sign on the door says SWO training room. you're not a SWO, you need to leave."
me: "uh huh. i'll be done in a second"
ENS: "no really, you're not a SWO, you need to get out. The sign says SWO"
me: "you're not even pinned yet. do you have an OOD letter yet?"
ENS: "well, no"
me: "I do, so until then I'm more of a SWO then you so beat it."

This was common place jackassery from our JOs. Both the SARDET and the VMA hung up signs on the door over the existing SWO Training Room sign on different occasions (the Air Dept may have egged them on) that resulted in much JO teeth gnashing and childish behavior from the SWOs.

I'm intimately familiar with the BHR's "SWO Training Room" as it was started during my 2007 13th MEU deployment aboard that stupid boat. It came into being while the MEU was ashore in Iraq and the boat was making port calls in Dubai. We got back on to a new CO/XO, both of whom were gigantic douches, particularly the XO (surprise a -60B dude), and a bunch of stupid new rules. The boat went from pretty damn good when we got off it, to terrible post-Iraq.

The rules starting piling up, but when they took our IWO TV, that was too far. The MEU CO had a meeting with all the ACE officers in the ready room and told us that we could fuck with the Navy as much as we wanted to within the regulations, but keep it directed at the officers only. You really don't want to play "who can be the bigger asshole" with a boat load of Marines. After about a week of constantly harassing the JOs for shit like not giving the proper greeting of the day in the p-way or not letting them sit down in the wardroom, they relented. We got our TV back, blue/green hours were lifted, and the attempt at SWO TR enforcement ended.
 

Gatordev

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Oh dear, the fight over a DH's parking space by the DIVOs when he/she took leave was epic!

As a JO at my first squadron, the DHs had approximately 4 spots. They were labeled "DH/OIC." At one point when the the OICs were all deployed, the JOs started parking in one of the spots (we'd leave the OpsO and MO spots for them). One particular O4 complained to JOPA (I think via email) and it was pointed out that he was technically neither a DH or an OIC yet. What fueled the fire was that the East Coast dudes all got up in arms about people (JOPA) parking in reserved (!!!!!!) spots, nevermind the fact that they weren't legal (per base regs) spots. As I would later learn, claiming said spots on the East Coast wasn't legal either, per Base regs. I think at one time, JOPA actually managed to get up early enough to beat all the O4s to work and park in all the spots.

The situation was deescalated shortly thereafter because we had so few JOPA at the squadron that the XO said O4s would SDO to take the load of JOPA. Guess who recommended that turd to the XO during a XO/JOPA meeting?

<-------this guy. Suck it, Hinges!

We got back on to a new CO/XO, both of whom were gigantic douches, particularly the XO (surprise a -60B dude)...

Given the statute of limitations and the fact that you're now officially "Italian" now, you gotta give up the name. Not because I'm going to argue with you...depending on who it is, maybe commiserate with you...
 

CommodoreMid

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People seriously get butt hurt about people using their parking spaces ? It went without saying that if a DH was on leave/TAD their spot was free for the taking by the first bidder. Not to mention that when another squadron is deployed theirs are also up for grabs.
 

Pags

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pilot
I'm intimately familiar with the BHR's "SWO Training Room" as it was started during my 2007 13th MEU deployment aboard that stupid boat. It came into being while the MEU was ashore in Iraq and the boat was making port calls in Dubai. We got back on to a new CO/XO, both of whom were gigantic douches, particularly the XO (surprise a -60B dude), and a bunch of stupid new rules. The boat went from pretty damn good when we got off it, to terrible post-Iraq.

The rules starting piling up, but when they took our IWO TV, that was too far. The MEU CO had a meeting with all the ACE officers in the ready room and told us that we could fuck with the Navy as much as we wanted to within the regulations, but keep it directed at the officers only. You really don't want to play "who can be the bigger asshole" with a boat load of Marines. After about a week of constantly harassing the JOs for shit like not giving the proper greeting of the day in the p-way or not letting them sit down in the wardroom, they relented. We got our TV back, blue/green hours were lifted, and the attempt at SWO TR enforcement ended.
Yeah, I hated the provincialism of the training room, especially because PHIBRON had taken over the other lounge so there was no common area for the Green side, but I didn't have the juice to squash it and I never had the spare time underway to make use of a common area.

My Boss and I would try and help the ACE to navigate the boat and it's boatness as much as we could.
@Pags

If you are studying for boards, why would you not want DHs and other warfare SMEs in the training room? That's just silly.
Damned if I know. The SWOs were much happier to pass down bum gouge from JO to JO then to go to SMEs. And the DHs were "scary."

During my OOD murder board they asked me a bunch of a asinine sea lawyer questions about the deck log. Like what would you log if the President came on board. They said I was being glib and disrespectful when I said, "I don't know, but I'd call the QMCS if the QMOW didn't know." They also didn't like that I said I'd open fire when the ROE was met without calling the CO first.
 

Gatordev

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People seriously get butt hurt about people using their parking spaces ? It went without saying that if a DH was on leave/TAD their spot was free for the taking by the first bidder. Not to mention that when another squadron is deployed theirs are also up for grabs.

To be fair, parking at K-Bay, especially at Hangar 103 is a little different than the vast amount of asphalt you're used to at NIP. On one side, there were only about 10 spaces, 5 of which were marked "DH/OIC." Add to that the random Skinny Dragon E-4 that would park in a space, and it was a bit painful. That said, these weren't people on leave or TAD, just O-4s that didn't want to park with the masses on the other side of the hangar.

Honestly, most of the complaints (except for one guy) were from East Coast Mayport guys. And let me tell you, those people take their parking seriously.
 
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