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Racism in the Military

wink

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Pull your head out of your ass wink. There have been 10+ days of mass protests across the entire country and world related to the perceived conduct of police forces. At the very least LE has an image problem that it needs to fix. If departments and agencies are still telling themselves that there's a "false narrative" after all this then they're being willfully ignorant and, frankly, irresponsible to the communities they supposedly serve.
The use of perception in this context is nothing more than an opinion based on whatever information that person has whether educate on the subject or not. The very phrase that perception is reality was coined to highlight that reality, the truth, doesn't matter if the perception is something else. Some in the public are so invested in the narrative that the police are institutionally racist and biased against blacks they won't listen when some one tries to address the perception. You don't see that? I acknowledge that many people have a poor perception of the police. But it is often wrong. And here I am trying to correct the inaccurate perception and all I get is intransigence. But racist! But racist! You don't want to have the perception addressed unless you hear complete acceptance of the narrative without qualification. Do you want needed changes to be made to LE based on FACTS, and the law, or do you want wholesale changes made based on a perception?

You want LE to accept the narrative, without defense, that they are racist and have it in for blacks or be branded irresponsible. Listen to yourself. This is how the language and debate has been twisted, weaponized. If you defend yourself, you are racist. If you criticize people who tell lies about you, you are racist. If you want to make useful changes, but they are not as demanded by the movement, you are a racist. People in the media can not even acknowledge the vast majority "good" cops, because that takes the spot light off the super minority that are not good. You can't suggest that we need to work towards making changes that affect all minorities, you have to pay homage to BLM only. If you don't support BLM, you are a racist.

And before you try and tell me that the police are universally distrusted by Americans based on the protests, I suggest you do the math.
 

Brett327

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Don’t bother, Pags. Wink is hard core, beyond reaching. His perspectives should serve as a warning and example to those interested in making meaningful change.
 

Mos

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Personally, I think the racial aspects of the matter are blown out of proportion, but there is no doubt in my mind that police departments around this country have been fucked up in all kinds of ways for a while and I don't feel a damned bit sorry for them.
 

Pags

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I guess you could try to debate him using facts and logic. Or perhaps you can’t and that’s why you post garbage like this.
I did. And then you call it fake news, or say experts don't know it all, or ignore it. I've seen wink say that expert opinion doesn't matter and then turn around and say my viewpoint doesn't matter because I'm not an expert. I've seen you all ask for objective data and then discount it as biased or what not. Lets not pretend that there's any interest in facts or logic. Don't pretend like there's any interest on wink or your part to have a dialogue and understand a position that is different from yours. All you want to do is shout down anyone who disagrees with you or mock them with memes. You come in to every thread, turn it in to a political discussion that then becomes an echo chamber of what you want to hear.

I'm sure you'll both respond with some mix of the following:
-dank meme
-libtard/sjw
-false narrative
 

Pags

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pilot
The use of perception in this context is nothing more than an opinion based on whatever information that person has whether educate on the subject or not. The very phrase that perception is reality was coined to highlight that reality, the truth, doesn't matter if the perception is something else. Some in the public are so invested in the narrative that the police are institutionally racist and biased against blacks they won't listen when some one tries to address the perception. You don't see that? I acknowledge that many people have a poor perception of the police. But it is often wrong. And here I am trying to correct the inaccurate perception and all I get is intransigence. But racist! But racist! You don't want to have the perception addressed unless you hear complete acceptance of the narrative without qualification. Do you want needed changes to be made to LE based on FACTS, and the law, or do you want wholesale changes made based on a perception?

You want LE to accept the narrative, without defense, that they are racist and have it in for blacks or be branded irresponsible. Listen to yourself. This is how the language and debate has been twisted, weaponized. If you defend yourself, you are racist. If you criticize people who tell lies about you, you are racist. If you want to make useful changes, but they are not as demanded by the movement, you are a racist. People in the media can not even acknowledge the vast majority "good" cops, because that takes the spot light off the super minority that are not good. You can't suggest that we need to work towards making changes that affect all minorities, you have to pay homage to BLM only. If you don't support BLM, you are a racist.

And before you try and tell me that the police are universally distrusted by Americans based on the protests, I suggest you do the math.
You're obviously a bot.
 

Treetop Flyer

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pilot
I did. And then you call it fake news, or say experts don't know it all, or ignore it. I've seen wink say that expert opinion doesn't matter and then turn around and say my viewpoint doesn't matter because I'm not an expert. I've seen you all ask for objective data and then discount it as biased or what not. Lets not pretend that there's any interest in facts or logic. Don't pretend like there's any interest on wink or your part to have a dialogue and understand a position that is different from yours. All you want to do is shout down anyone who disagrees with you or mock them with memes. You come in to every thread, turn it in to a political discussion that then becomes an echo chamber of what you want to hear.

I'm sure you'll both respond with some mix of the following:
-dank meme
-libtard/sjw
-false narrative
You seem to have confused me for someone else. I listed some reforms I’d like to see. You just spewed bullshit about how it’s legal for cops to murder people for getting too “feisty”. Nice of you to bow out though.
 

Pags

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You seem to have confused me for someone else. I listed some reforms I’d like to see. You just spewed bullshit about how it’s legal for cops to murder people for getting too “feisty”. Nice of you to bow out though.
I responded to your accusations of bullshit. You seem to have ignored it and continue to push whatever you want.
 

Treetop Flyer

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I responded to your accusations of bullshit. You seem to have ignored it and continue to push whatever you want.
You said “Sandra Bland”. That you consider that a compelling argument to support your ridiculous claim is laughable. Here’s a pat on the head.
 

Brett327

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I responded to your accusations of bullshit. You seem to have ignored it and continue to push whatever you want.
When I refer to people as cultists, this is exactly what I mean.
 

Treetop Flyer

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Pags:

“While I understand that, per current rules, the escalation due to lack of compliance, makes it legal for cops to kill anyone they feel is getting too feisty.”

Since police are allowed to kill anyone they deem too feisty, and with the systemic racism, there are probably a lot of examples, right?

Do yourself a favor and see if you can make it through a few minutes of facts. Trigger warning: Fox News using facts gathered by WaPo

 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
Pags:

“While I understand that, per current rules, the escalation due to lack of compliance, makes it legal for cops to kill anyone they feel is getting too feisty.”

Since police are allowed to kill anyone they deem too feisty, and with the systemic racism, there are probably a lot of examples, right?

Do yourself a favor and see if you can make it through a few minutes of facts. Trigger warning: Fox News using facts gathered by WaPo

I mean, I did post a personal anecdote about a family member cop who was complicit in a sexual assault and kept his job. I know it's not murder per se...
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
... stuff...
Wink, I think that the issue here is that through the last 30 pages, you have yet to recognize that there can be anything wrong with policing in the U.S. I mean, we have threads on this forum going on for dozens of pages discussing issues from the fitrep system to GMT to 'no-tolerance' policies to international policies, yet if we go by your posts there's not a single thing wrong with law enforcement training, policies, or procedures in America. Everyone else just has it wrong.

This attitude is the very heart of the issue - your primary loyalty, like many of your fellow officers, is to defend the 'thin blue line' vice using your unique insight as both a former Naval Officer and a LEO to suggest solutions to improve the police reputation while upholding and enforcing the law. Every organization has bad apples...but the police have a much harder time than other professional organizations saying "THAT'S BAD and we're going to hold them accountable" to people who fail to uphold the organization's core values. Do you not realize that this adds fuel to the fire of public opinion believing that police do not hold each other accountable for poor behavior?

I will throw you a bone that the police are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The public perceives them as a racist organization, yet many of the most crime-filled areas in America are populated by minorities (for various socio-economic reasons beyond police control). The police have to enforce the law and maintain public trust. So what do you do?

Over to you...
 
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Brett327

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There's a greater than 50% chance that Wink is actually on retreat in the woods somewhere, and Mrs. Wink is just trolling with his account.
 
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