V-22 Chosen to be the new COD

[Flying Low]

We had about 10-12 and it was 4 to make 2 for missions. My guess is you would need at least 3 to 4 for a VOD det. That is me just guessing. No way to force fold to a point. You can bypass the broken switch, etc but if something is broken, game over. Often those guys couldn't even start. If the computer thinks something is going wrong, it will prevent the start up. You have to CTRL-ALT-DEL and hope it clears.

The other issue is the engine exhaust. It tears up the nonskid. You almost need imbedded JBD's on some of the spots. We started tracking deck temps right to watch for trends with non skid peeling up and being a fod hazard with hurricane force winds from the 22's. We had problems with the left nacelle melting life boats, chaff launchers or anything else in or around the cat walk. Those were quick lessons learned for us on how we spotted the deck for VSTOL.

 

[wlawr005]

So you're saying landing them on the bow during the landing cycle might melt the non-skid and/or the rubber cat seal thereby inhibiting the following launch cycle...assuming the damn thing folds to begin with.

Challenge accepted.

 

[Minnesota Tomcat]

At 57 feet long the Osprey pretty big, but not as big as a Tomcat which was 64 feet by 33 feet when she was parked with her wings in oversweep . The Osprey takes up about same amount of space as the Greyhound which is 57 feet 7 inches.

 

[Pags]

FlyingLow discussed it already, but twhile the V-22 uses the same wheel boxes as the Phrog, it's got a lot more tail behind the main mounts so it ends up taking up a lot more real estate; almost as much as an H-53.

A 22 that won't fold is a disaster and can be hard to mitigate. The ctrl-alt-del reset of the aircraft can also demolish an airplan quickly. But then again there are a lot of things on the boat that can derail the best airplan.

The 22 can taxi which was nice on the LHD. yo can also pack them in real tight like you're launching dolittles raiders.

We didn't have to monitor deck heating as much as other ships like the LSDs. There is a flight clearance for V-22s on CVs and I think the 22s could only land in the LA or some such.

I'm sure when this does become a reality that there will be a fair bit of experimentation and best practice development.

Did the LHA have a bridge crane? The LHD has one in the hangar and ours could have supported all the required 22 maintenance if the marines hadn't cooked it with 22 APU exhaust. Once it was cooked then we had to use tilly for some major maintenance but only in port because we weren't willing to expose ourselves to that risk.

 

[Uncle Fester]

Theres a lot that can clobber the flight deck. Witness the Handler going bananas when the E-2 goes down right before the event 1 launch spotted on Cat 2.

 

[Minnesota Tomcat]

Her wing spread unfolded is 84 feet 7 in. That's a lot of real estate on the flight deck. That's bigger than a Tomcat with her wings spread.
Would you even be able to get that on the elevator and into the hangar bay? The Greyhound unfolded was 80 feet.
Sad that they are retiring the Greyhound. I flew off the USS Forrestal in 1991 aboard one.

 

[brownshoe]

Her wing spread unfolded is 84 feet 7 in. That's a lot of real estate on the flight deck. That's bigger than a Tomcat with her wings spread.
Would you even be able to get that on the elevator and into the hangar bay? The Greyhound unfolded was 80 feet.
Sad that they are retiring the Greyhound. I flew off the USS Forrestal in 1991 aboard one.

I flew on and off the boat on a C1 (Terry & the Pirates era). Guys like BzB at the yoke. What fun for us ground pounders!

 

[SynixMan]

Is there any releaseable numbers on unrefueled Osprey Range? Like from an actual Osprey guy? I feel like numbers throw haphazardly around in a hit piece article are suspect. Also, SOP ranges for shore-ship limits might come into play similar to helos....?

Regardless, I think the VRC guys will like their new ride more than they think. A lot of the growing pains mentioned here are being worked through by smart folks on Amphibs now. By the time they get it, you'll be talking about a mature platform 10 years into operational service.

 

[Minnesota Tomcat]

I flew on and off the boat on a C1 (Terry & the Pirates era). Guys like BzB at the yoke. What fun for us ground pounders!

That that is an old airplane. The Trader doesn't look very big. Looking her up she's only 45 feet long with a 72 foot wing span. She didn't hold very much. Retired two years after I joined the navy--1988. What is unique about the Trader is that she was last Navy aircraft in service to have a radial engine.

 

[brownshoe]

That that is an old airplane. The Trader doesn't look very big. Looking her up she's only 45 feet long with a 72 foot wing span. She didn't hold very much. Retired two years after I joined the navy--1988. What is unique about the Trader is that she was last Navy aircraft in service to have a radial engine.

Back in my day it was big enough and very trustworthy. Sorry for the thread jack.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Is there any releaseable numbers on unrefueled Osprey Range? Like from an actual Osprey guy? I feel like numbers throw haphazardly around in a hit piece article are suspect. Also, SOP ranges for shore-ship limits might come into play similar to helos....?

Regardless, I think the VRC guys will like their new ride more than they think. A lot of the growing pains mentioned here are being worked through by smart folks on Amphibs now. By the time they get it, you'll be talking about a mature platform 10 years into operational service.

The osprey range depends a lot on payload. More weight is going to affect the osprey more than the C-2 because it's not getting a cat shot.

 

[jtmedli]

The osprey range depends a lot on payload. More weight is going to affect the osprey more than the C-2 because it's not getting a cat shot.

This is the part that I heavily question. Will it still have a 10k capability when it's 120 degrees in the NAG or anything even close to it?

 

[Pags]

This is the part that I heavily question. Will it still have a 10k capability when it's 120 degrees in the NAG or anything even close to it?

Ospreys can conduct running takeoffs with the nacelles dialed down to takeoff in power limited situations.

 

[pilot_man]

How far of a running takeoff are we talking about? I don't see an Osprey running takeoff fitting into the airplan cycle anywhere if we are talking about using the LA.

 

[Pags]

How far of a running takeoff are we talking about? I don't see an Osprey running takeoff fitting into the airplan cycle anywhere if we are talking about using the LA.

Not very far at all. Running takeoff is a bit misleading; I think the wheels maybe get a full turn or two. I imagine it could be done down the angle