It's not just about the $....

[Fetus]

Navy times reports that the House wants to cut the N88 FY12 budget.

Total FY12 aviation budget request: 4.4% cut
including...
Fire Scout : 40% cut
EA-18G: 7.7% cut
F/A-18E/F: 2.7% cut

It will be interesting to see how the FY12 budget wars impact real life in the Navy. Hang on.

 

[MasterBates]

But what about the money for diversity training?

 

[KBayDog]

40% cut to Fire Scout? Sweet - Robots may not be putting me out of a job...

...yet.

 

[fattestfoot]

Yeah, I'm a little surprised to see a UAV on that list -- and with the largest cut by far too. I definitely won't complain about it.

 

[Swanee]

A lot of these cuts say they are because of a cost increase- Are we finally telling Lock Mart et all that we aren't accepting a cost increase; that we are going to pay the same amount of money we agreed upon at x date? If so that's how it should be.

 

[MAKE VAPES]

Cut to what? APN, FHP flying hours, Sim Factor, depot level maintanence, spare parts... They all cause pain differently, with varying long term effects, some save real money, others are cost offsets.

For instance, a simulator hour can be seen as one more fatigue life hour, and the gas that goes with it, it is savings in the year it isn't used, but in the long term, it just defers the procurement cost of the new airframe. Puzzle palace majic.

 

[lowflier03]

Fire Scout is a retarded concept that will probably result in less than 10% sortie completion rates if it gets fielded in normal operational conditions for more than a few years. Cut that sucker!

I wonder how much we would save by eliminating NKO and all it's required courses and associated maintenance fees, the same goes for rewriting the NMCI contract. Anyone who thinks we aren't being raped on fees, storage costs and reliability/usability are living with their head in the sand there is a ton of waste and stupidity there.

Heck, at the same time either make the IT's actually do their job, or eliminate them. There's more
Money saved...

 

[KBayDog]

Osprey is a retarded concept that will probably result in less than 10% sortie completion rates if it gets fielded in normal operational conditions for more than a few years. Cut that sucker!

Concur

I wonder how much we would save by eliminating NKO and all it's required courses and associated maintenance fees, the same goes for rewriting the NMCI contract. Anyone who thinks we aren't being raped on fees, storage costs and reliability/usability are living with their head in the sand there is a ton of waste and stupidity there.

TRIPLE concur. Nothing more rewarding than signing on for the annual IA "training" (same lame-ass course every year. "Wow! An e-mail asking for help finding a missing child. Maybe I'll open it this year!"), double-tapping the mouse, and clear-cutting a rain forest to print out your certificate.

Just had to reactivate my navy.mil NMCI account. (You know, because the Navy/Marine Corps Intranet isn't really Navy and Marine Corps.) Had to re-apply, get my XO's Herbie Hancock as security manager, have the civilian "process" the application, and wait 24 hours. The next day, I was given my logon information (by a different civilian), but had to go to the ID office to get my "certificates" updated, whatever the hell that means. An hour later, I walked out of the ID office and tried to log onto my computer. No dice, so I called the "help"desk. One hour and twenty minutes on the phone later, my problem was solved...apparently, I didn't have the right set of "permissions" to log onto NMCI. It's cool, though - the Corps only lost a half of a day of work out of me because of it. Fortunately, I'm not an hourly employee or anything.

 

[phrogdriver]

Concur


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You must be destroyed.

 

[KBayDog]

You must be destroyed.

 

[HeyJoe]

Concur



TRIPLE concur. Nothing more rewarding than signing on for the annual IA "training" (same lame-ass course every year. "Wow! An e-mail asking for help finding a missing child. Maybe I'll open it this year!"), double-tapping the mouse, and clear-cutting a rain forest to print out your certificate.

Just had to reactivate my navy.mil NMCI account. (You know, because the Navy/Marine Corps Intranet isn't really Navy and Marine Corps.) Had to re-apply, get my XO's Herbie Hancock as security manager, have the civilian "process" the application, and wait 24 hours. The next day, I was given my logon information (by a different civilian), but had to go to the ID office to get my "certificates" updated, whatever the hell that means. An hour later, I walked out of the ID office and tried to log onto my computer. No dice, so I called the "help"desk. One hour and twenty minutes on the phone later, my problem was solved...apparently, I didn't have the right set of "permissions" to log onto NMCI. It's cool, though - the Corps only lost a half of a day of work out of me because of it. Fortunately, I'm not an hourly employee or anything.

Went through almost same experience and was told I could log 1 hour of Security training for it. Besides the lost time going to Pass/ID and waiting around to get CAC card reset, NKO kept kicking me offline. SSO was nipping at my heels and told me if worked fine on her machine. Told her I'd be right over to do it on her machine. She balked because she doesn't let anyone on her desktop. So I rolled into her location with laptop in hand and showed her it was stuck in a do-loop. She showed me a guest laptop and wouldn't you know, it did the same thing. At 1530, she announced she had to leave for the day, but to keep trying. I said negatory as it was obvious a certificate or other issue i couldn't solve. IT manager finally looked at it and said "you're right! This is isn't working!" She finally found a machine that would cooperate and I sat through the IA training that I could have passed the test on without even seeing. But SSO is happy, but only wants me to log 1 hour for the half day 1 spent trying to get NKO to cooperate.

 

[KBayDog]

But SSO is happy, but only wants me to log 1 hour for the half day 1 spent trying to get NKO to cooperate.

Yes, but don't you feel better now that you learned that if someone sends you an UNCLASS e-mail with a SECRET document attached, you should report it to your security manager? Yay IA training! :thumbup_1

Flippin' NMCI... Hey, at least you get to log an hour. I get to log another half day of my life I'll never get back, not to mention the deferral all of the productive things I could have been doing during that time.

 

[MasterBates]

NKO = Total waste of time.

If it's important enough to have annually or once, it's important enough to have a human teach it, and schedule a time, not a "do this while you are writing three awards, trying to make sense out of 1XX's F'ed up audit, while doing an investigation on 603 eating another wingfold actuator".

 

[helolumpy]

40% cut to Fire Scout? Sweet - Robots may not be putting me out of a job...

...yet.

I will only believe that manned helos will go the way of the dinosaur when I see a FO/GO ride a UAV helo when they need to go somewhere!

 

[Jim123]

I will only believe that manned helos will go the way of the dinosaur when I see a FO/GO ride a UAV helo when they need to go somewhere!

They secretly fear that the robocopter would stubbornly refuse to takeoff because of expired certificates/incorrect permissions/password does not meet requirements/whatever...

Threadjack time! Who remembers when Yorktown got the "blue screen of death?"