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Shpion1

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When its a thousand feet long 10 stories high, and displaces 103 thousand tons, does it really matter what its called?

Why yes, yes it does. As a Fireman Recruit, I first cruised on the USS CORAL SEA. Dirty, hot, nasty, dangerous, BUT, I loved that boat. And was proud of her and she was the best dang boat. And the name meant something, a major battle during WWII, first when carriers engaged each other. May sound weird, but there was a certain, attachment to the crew and the boat.

Last cruise as an O4 on the JOHN C STENNIS. Had to look up who the hell he was. Could give a rats ass about him. We renamed the boat Just Clean Something. And not in a nice way about it like the CORAL MARU.

So names mean a lot. Even with all the technological advances, being on a FORD Class boat won't be the same as being on an Enterprise or Lexington class.

Just sayin'
 

CUPike11

Still avoiding work as much as possible....
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I think (speaking from an entirely outside circle) the Navy needs to sit down and figure out a plan as far as naming ships goes and stick with it.

Battleships were named after States.... ok we got rid of those what can we make some Governor/Senetor happy with.... umm... how about Trident Subs.... Yeah that'll work there wont be a bunch of them so we dont have overlaps of names of ships still in service.... Well hey guys I know we've been naming attack subs after cities for a long time with the LA class boats, but how about we name the last Seawolf after Jimmy Carter.... oh and with these new attack boats lets change to States for these too.... and then lets start naming a couple of the LPDs after states.... Crap we're out of states... well how does USS Puerto Rico and USS Virgin Islands strike you?

Seriously what the hell.


That made me spit beer all over my laptop....:icon_lol: :icon_lol:
 

Owen

Member
What's in a name.....

I think we should get back to naming carriers after battles and
older carriers, NOT politicians. There should ALWAYS be a USS
Enterprise. There should always be a Lexington, Yorktown,
Coral Sea, Midway, Philippine Sea, Leyte Gulf, Saratoga, etc.
Wasp and Hornet come to mind as do Tarawa, Guadalcanal.
Pelieu, Princeton, and Belleau Wood. l will stop there as I have
already exceeded 12 by a wide margin. But you get the message.

STOP NAMING THE GREATEST SHIPS OF ALL TIME AFTER POLITICIANS
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bush and Ford might well deserve the honor. But Truman and
Forrestal? Please? They presided over the greatest "gutting"
of USN capability in our history. They were why we were un-
prepared for Korea. I know there guys who love these ships
and I mean no offense. But PLEASE....
 

Brett327

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Why yes, yes it does. As a Fireman Recruit, I first cruised on the USS CORAL SEA. Dirty, hot, nasty, dangerous, BUT, I loved that boat. And was proud of her and she was the best dang boat. And the name meant something, a major battle during WWII, first when carriers engaged each other. May sound weird, but there was a certain, attachment to the crew and the boat.

Last cruise as an O4 on the JOHN C STENNIS. Had to look up who the hell he was. Could give a rats ass about him. We renamed the boat Just Clean Something. And not in a nice way about it like the CORAL MARU.

So names mean a lot. Even with all the technological advances, being on a FORD Class boat won't be the same as being on an Enterprise or Lexington class.

Just sayin'
Well, it worked. That is one nice and clean boat.

Brett
 

NavAir42

I'm not dead yet....
pilot
I think (speaking from an entirely outside circle) the Navy needs to sit down and figure out a plan as far as naming ships goes and stick with it.

Battleships were named after States.... ok we got rid of those what can we make some Governor/Senetor happy with.... umm... how about Trident Subs.... Yeah that'll work there wont be a bunch of them so we dont have overlaps of names of ships still in service.... Well hey guys I know we've been naming attack subs after cities for a long time with the LA class boats, but how about we name the last Seawolf after Jimmy Carter.... oh and with these new attack boats lets change to States for these too.... and then lets start naming a couple of the LPDs after states.... Crap we're out of states... well how does USS Puerto Rico and USS Virgin Islands strike you?

Seriously what the hell.

Getting a little worked up over an anthill aren't we? What the hell does naming consistency have to do with anything? Navy ships have always been more or less random. In your submarine example they started without names (AA-1, V-2), were named after fish for the longest time (Sturgeon, Skipjack, Pike), random bugs (Scorpion, Tarantula), historical figures (Alexander Hamilton, Ben Franklin), Cities (LA, Dallas, Alexandria), States (Ohio, Georgia, Texas, Alabama), and yes, even Jimmy Carter (who was, for as much as people don't like him, an actual submariner).

And to say that somehow the Missouri is a sacred name within the Navy, I disagree. She happened to be in the right place at the right time (Tokyo Bay circa August of 1945). She's big, impressive, and served honorably for the better part of half a century but she will never be the Constitution or Arizona.
 
It does seem like LHDs get the cool names now. Seriously...LHDs=Kearsarge, Essex, Wasp while CVNs=Stennis or Ford. What the hell. I guess whatever gets them built.
 
What the hell. I guess whatever gets them built.
The Navy Sloganeers must have thought along the same lines with recruiting...I had to play base fb tonight in a shirt with "NAVY: GLOBAL FORCE FOR GOOD" plastered across the back. I stopped at singing Kumbaya in the endzone.
Not sure what kind of focus group thought Global Goodness Enforcers could rival The Few and The Proud or Army Strong, but if it attracts the new generation, I'll stand corrected. At least the front of the shirt was decent. And free.
--end threadjack--
 

Ken_gone_flying

"I live vicariously through myself."
pilot
Contributor
I think they should give the ship an original name. I'm sure there are a few states left to choose from. I'm not exactly sure how many, the subs have taken up quite a few states' names.
 

OUSOONER

Crusty Shellback
pilot
Leviathan now that's a bad ass name...you could go Thomas Hobbes with it...or you could go sea monster.

USS Leviathan would be a sweet CVN name. Imagine being attached to her airwing. You would have to play Metallica over the 1MC as you launched a/c.
 

xj220

Will fly for food.
pilot
Contributor
Nice!

I had to look up the names: Alfred, Columbus, Cabot, Andrew Doria, and Providence don't sound very tough to me either but that wouldn't be the first thing on my mind if one of them sent a cannonball my way. Just sayin' (shrug...)

What about the HMS Splendid? Yeah, the Brits know how to do it right.
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
While I normally don't have any problem w/ naming ships after their predecessors to help carry on the tradition --- Lexington, Saratoga, Ranger, Enterprise, etc., etc. ... renaming a sub after one of the most famous battleships in history just doesn't seem quite right ...

I think the USS MISSOURI (BB-63) represents such a 'special ship' that her name ought to be preserved for posterity. Especially since she's still afloat and means so much to the country and the Navy ...


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Casual

Jammin'
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What about the HMS Splendid? Yeah, the Brits know how to do it right.

The Brits do have some good ship names. HMS Dauntless? HMS Invincible? That's pretty awesome. :)

Agreed that names like USS Saratoga and USS Enterprise sound a lot better than USS Gerald R. Ford and USS George H.W. Bush.
 
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rrpilot

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The Brits do have some good ship names. HMS Dauntless? HMS Invincible? That's pretty awesome. :)

Agreed that names like USS Saratoga and USS Enterprise sound a lot better than USS Gerald R. Ford and USS George H.W. Bush.

One of their toughest little ships had a very benign name: HMS Glowworm, a Destroyer that took on 2 German destroyers and a Heavy Cruiser....

From wikipedia:
"Although hopelessly outgunned, Glowworm accepted the fight and, while receiving several heavy hits, fired torpedoes at the German cruiser. They missed and, in a final desperate effort to sink or at least seriously damage her opponent, Glowworm then attempted to ram Admiral Hipper. One of the Hipper’s shells hit the Glowworm’s mast. As this crashed down, it caused a short circuit of the wiring, causing the ship's siren to start a banshee wail which nobody was able to stop. As the ships collided, Admiral Hipper suffered major damage, with a large underwater gash in her bow. With the two ships locked together, Glowworm fired one last shot at point-blank range into the Hipper."

How often does this happen:
"The Glowworm’s commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Gerard Broadmead Roope, killed when she sank, was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross, thus becoming the first VC recipient of the Second World War. The award was justified, in part, by the recommendation of his opponent, Captain Hellmuth Heye of the Admiral Hipper, who wrote to the British authorities via the Red Cross, giving a statement of the valiant courage Lt Cdr Roope had shown when engaging a much superior ship in close battle."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Glowworm_(H92)
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
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What about the HMS Splendid? Yeah, the Brits know how to do it right.

My favorite, the HMS Battleaxe. The keep doing it right too, the lead ship in their new class of DDG's is the HMS Daring.

How often does this happen.....The award was justified, in part, by the recommendation of his opponent, Captain Hellmuth Heye of the Admiral Hipper, who wrote to the British authorities via the Red Cross, giving a statement of the valiant courage Lt Cdr Roope had shown when engaging a much superior ship in close battle."

At least one other time, a Victoria Cross was awarded solely on the word of the surviving U-Boat crew that he and his crew sank.

//end threadjack
 

desertoasis

Something witty.
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I think they should give the ship an original name. I'm sure there are a few states left to choose from. I'm not exactly sure how many, the subs have taken up quite a few states' names.

The following states have not had a ship commissioned in their name since before World War II. Each of these states had battleships commissioned during the World War I era or earlier (some of which fought in WWII as well, or were at Pearl Harbor) bearing their name.

Delaware (BB-28) - Commissioned 1910, Scrapped 1924
Idaho (BB-42) - fought in World War II
Kansas (BB-21) - Sailed with the Great White Fleet
Oklahoma (BB-37) - took three torpedo hits at Pearl Harbor
Oregon (BB-3) - fought in Spanish-American War
Utah (BB-31) - sunk at Pearl Harbor, 58 fatalities
Vermont (BB-20) - Commissioned 1907, Scrapped 1923

In addition to Missouri, states set to be named in the Virginia Class are California, Mississippi, Minnesota, and North Dakota.
 
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