CMV-22B Osprey Rollout

[Flash]

I'm sure this was taken seriously....

Miss Piggy! One former Foo Dog in my squadron called that bird an IG investigation just waiting to happen.

 

[Griz882]

CMV-22 barely does that. I know this has resulted in a lot of vigorous arm flailing, but CMV-22 isn't going away. They'll address the deficiencies and move forward. While it's clearly a suboptimal replacement for COD, it's the one the Navy decided it could afford.

From my limited perspective this all makes sense.

 

[sevenhelmet]

CMV-22 barely does that. I know this has resulted in a lot of vigorous arm flailing, but CMV-22 isn't going away. They'll address the deficiencies and move forward. While it's clearly a suboptimal replacement for COD, it's the one the Navy decided it could afford.

Agreed. I was mainly looking at this as a case study of how the acquisitions process has been broken over the past several decades.

 

[ea6bflyr]

Agreed. I was mainly looking at this as a case study of how the acquisitions process has been broken over the past several decades.

Yes, buy what you can afford, not what you need. A-6=>[A-12]=>F/A-18 is a great example as well as the COD=>VOD show.

 

[Uncle Fester]

CMV-22 barely does that. I know this has resulted in a lot of vigorous arm flailing, but CMV-22 isn't going away. They'll address the deficiencies and move forward. While it's clearly a suboptimal replacement for COD, it's the one the Navy decided it could afford.

Yes, buy what you can afford, not what you need. A-6=>[A-12]=>F/A-18 is a great example as well as the COD=>VOD show.

Cost, and time. There was just no other COD replacement option out there that was going to get new airplanes actually delivering ass, trash, and pony in less than ten years. Big Navy kept kicking that can down the road until the choice was either V-22 or punt with yet another C-2 SLEP. And the youngest C-2 is 35 years old.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Cost, and time. There was just no other COD replacement option out there that was going to get new airplanes actually delivering ass, trash, and pony in less than ten years. Big Navy kept kicking that can down the road until the choice was either V-22 or punt with yet another C-2 SLEP. And the youngest C-2 is 35 years old.

If they stuck with the C-2 the you could have people saying I fly the C-2 like my father and grandfather lol.

 

[ea6bflyr]

Cost, and time. There was just no other COD replacement option out there that was going to get new airplanes actually delivering ass, trash, and pony in less than ten years. Big Navy kept kicking that can down the road until the choice was either V-22 or punt with yet another C-2 SLEP. And the youngest C-2 is 35 years old.

So much like the F/A-18 decision. How many years has the B-52 flown?

 

[Griz882]

If they stuck with the C-2 the you could have people saying I fly the C-2 like my father and grandfather lol.

Now that’s left to the B-52 and maybe a few great-grandfathers!

 

[Griz882]

So much like the F/A-18 decision. How many years has the B-52 flown?

61 years! (Going to H models) Hard to believe.

 

[IRfly]

61 years! (Going to H models) Hard to believe.

That’s roughly half of history of aviation. Incredible.

 

[Mos]

I think it's more like 68 years for the B-52 at this point. The P-3 had a pretty respectable run of about 60 years (plus, still flying with some countries).

 

[IKE]

I think it's more like 68 years for the B-52 at this point. The P-3 had a pretty respectable run of about 60 years (plus, still flying with some countries).

Wikipedia says 69 for the fortress.

Now for some helo love:

• The H-1 is 65, which I think makes it the longest serving choppah.
• I saw a green & white H-3 flying yesterday for 63 years of service.
• The H-60 is only 45, but my money is on it going to 70+.

Those are all fielding/introduction numbers. The YUH-60A first flight was 5 years before the Army fielded it.

 

[Llarry]

Wikipedia says 69 for the fortress.

Now for some helo love:

• The H-1 is 65, which I think makes it the longest serving choppah.
• I saw a green & white H-3 flying yesterday for 63 years of service.
• The H-60 is only 45, but my money is on it going to 70+.

Those are all fielding/introduction numbers. The YUH-60A first flight was 5 years before the Army fielded it.

Some of these numbers are the equivalent of fighting Vietnam with World War I SPADs!

 

[Dontcallmegump]

I think it's more like 68 years for the B-52 at this point. The P-3 had a pretty respectable run of about 60 years (plus, still flying with some countries).

And it flew fine for me today.... after a 5 hour preflight.

Our "young" birds are pushing 40. The majority are older than my parents.

Put us in the bag of cans being kicked down the road. At least we aren't far from the bin.

 

[Griz882]

I picked 61 years for the B-52 off the production age of the H model, the only model flying (or being upgraded) today. The AF is now in the process of adding new engines and radar systems to the B-52 so it might even make 90 or…gasp…100!