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Navy Reserve COVID Vaccinations by October
- Thread starter snake020
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Feel free to discuss that with your other friends here.
Technically, you said there are no sound reasons to not get vaccinated. And he gave you two! And I agree with him that you and other high ranking Officers should be asking these questions for your people, both as policy and enforcement. And furthermore, these decisions should be between the Member and his Physician not an Unrestricted Line Officer that’s smart cause he was at the Pentagon and went to War College. And I don‘t mean that as an insult! You have experience in leadership and war fighting. Doctors have experience in Medicine!
I think folks here are forgetting where the vaccine mandate came from. It wasn't the Pentagon, it was the White House. Biden's policy on this will likely end with a shit show, especially in the other branches, as thousands of folks are forced out if Biden doesn't reverse his stance. My guess is all waivers requests, no matter how dubious, will be granted as a way of saving face. Wouldn't be surprised if folks who don't even request waivers are told "Hey, just fill out this paperwork asking for a waiver and we won't adsep you".
You’ve basically paraphrased one of the big lessons learned from the “Why are JOs Leaving” thread. People in leadership roles just aren’t interested in doing what you described. They view this as just another order to follow. “And if people don’t want to play along, screw ‘em! We’re better off without them!” Anyone asking questions is a dissenter, and dissent must be squashed quickly and firmly, lest it encourage the others.
I have heard that some Guard units aren’t even allowing waivers? Something about “I don’t care; the General wants 100% readiness so you’re getting it or you’re done”.
Based on guidance received from higher, they expect that nearly all religious waivers will be denied.
I think you're vastly overestimating the number of people who will refuse the vaccine after the exemption process has run its course. I've seen data on numbers of exemption seekers from a number of geographic regions. All are well below 1%.
Biden isn't going to change his stance.
Readiness and mission accomplishment.
And yes, I fully support the granting of religious and other exemptions - without burdening the service member with proving their belief beyond stating it.
Spekkio
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Companies are within their rights to mandate flu vaccines; there's no invasion of privacy rights for doing so.
What special about vaccines that we need to waive the normal exemption process?
Spekkio
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This.
There are two aspects to this:
First, none of the major religions in the U.S. believe that vaccines are against the practice of faith, and for the ~20-25% of athiests they have no ground to stand on. Second, the other aspect of the waiver is demonstrating that there is no operational impact.
We shall see. Far less than half of many branches reserve units currently have the vax, and a full 4th of the Marines and Army AD still need it. If 95%+ get the vax then I think you're right and they won't change their stance from the hardball they're saying theyre sticking with. If enough folks force their hand, though, I think you're wrong and you'll see their tough talk change rather rapidly (and privately).
@Spekkio they certainly can do that, but have many companies done it before? Or just “encouraged” it?
In keeping with the spirit of this thread, NG and Army Reserve have until June 30, 2022 to be vaccinated. Interesting the date discrepancy between them and the active duty Army: December 15, 2021.
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Spekkio
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I don't have an exact count, but it's not uncommon. The flu is also two to three orders of magnitude less deadly than COVID-19.
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What’s the latest fatality rates for covid compared to the flu? I’d love to see the data.
I’d venture that lung cancer is several orders of magnitude more deadly than covid-19, yet how many companies have banned their employees from making the medical decision to smoke cigarettes? On that note, why hasn’t the military prohibited smoking and other tobacco use? Just as legal, right? Because it’s a preventative medical procedure?
I’d also love to hear which companies you know of that have mandated the flu shot. The only person I know of outside the military who was mandated was a family member who works in the medical field. I know I’ve never been mandated to.