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Randy Daytona

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As for the GND, this thread on Twitter does a good job of framing the problem and argues that if we want to have effective policies to combat climate change, they need to have effects that reach beyond the US, as the majority of problematic emissions are coming from the rest of the world.
Good to see that he mentions some things that are seldom touched upon in the US media, such as the main problem is outside of the US and that heavy industry such as steel and cement is very difficult to decarbonize. Perhaps I missed it, but he did not mention that the Paris Agreement asks that the US significantly reduce carbon emissions but China and India can continue to increase output for the next decade. There is also not enough discussion about global coal use, while declining in the US, coal plants are still being built by China in large numbers. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-companies-coal-plants-climate-change.html

Over all, 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries, according to Urgewald’s tally, which uses data from the Global Coal Plant Tracker portal. The new plants would expand the world’s coal-fired power capacity by 43 percent.

Concerning AOC, it is not an obsession but rather using her policies to frame the Democratic Party. Her plans would send hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of workers to the unemployment lines. Listening to Progress today on Sirius XM 127 today, they sidestepped the whole issue of throwing Middle America out of work.
 

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Regardless of what the MSM has instructed the common folk to repeat, the larger concern is the fact an entire congressional district elected a women who (ridiculous ideas aside) has no qualms with infringing on constitutional rights and imposing large government authoritarianism on the entire nation. She is an openly avowed socialist and her very presence is a detriment to the fundamental articles of the constitution. That's why she garners so much vitriol. She is disguised as a doctor who is proposing tyrannical policy ideas as a cure for all of America's (...and the world's) problems.

In the long game, her policy's might be a greater threat to the founding documents than Trump is right now.
The GND is not going to happen, at least not as she’s attempted to define it. And the US isn’t going to become a socialist economy, at least not any more than it already is - most of those posting here being some of the biggest beneficiaries...

That Fox (and others responsible for the intellectual and moral degradation of my parent’s generation) find AOC so fascinating and at the same time frightening says a lot - most of which won’t/can’t be accepted by their viewers.

For those hiding behind the “her ideas are anathema to our way of life and run counter to our foundational documents” argument - wake up and look around. The folks who put the current, eh hem, disruptive personality in the WH chose just such a person because they truly believe(d) that the status quo wasn’t working for them. Isn’t that what she’s saying, but from a different side of the aisle?

But hey, I’ll give you credit, at least you used words instead of a meme generator the nice orderly at the memory-care clinic taught you to use.
 
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The GND is not going to happen, at least not as she’s attempted to define it. And the US isn’t going to become a socialist economy, at least not any more than it already is - most of those posting here being some of the biggest beneficiaries...
Like who? Boomers? In case you haven’t noticed, my generation is semi-fucked and my kid’s generation is most definitely fucked unless something changes. The budget alone will do us in with in the next half-century. If some one benefits from particular social programs it also doesn’t mean they support them in their current forms either.

We could drastically reduce and make the DoD budget more efficient but they are also my primary employer. Not a single baby boomer doesn’t acknowledge that SS needs to be fixed in the next decade or else we screw an entire generation (their grandkids and great grandkids). Had Obamacare not been so outrageously expensive and excessive than it might have received wider support from the people it was designed to help. It’s not mutually exclusive. I understand what you are getting at but it’s not a qualifier that supports an argument with regards to socialism.

For those hiding behind the “her ideas are anathema to our way of life and run counter to our foundational documents” argument - wake up and look around. The folks who put the current, eh hem, disruptive personality in the WH chose just such a person because they truly believe(d) that the status quo wasn’t working for them. Isn’t that what she’s saying, but from a different side of the aisle?
I thought we weren’t supposed to do whatabouttism?

...and lots of people are opposed to AOC’s policy ideas - including her own party members. Pelosi hasn’t even come out and supported her shenanigans. Way more Democrats are distancing themselves from Bernie/AOC than Republicans are from Trump. They know moderate Americans won’t bite off of looney left wing authoritarian policies and are trying to keep the crazies in the asylum. Trust me that’s not a signal of support for Trump, but an indictment on the Bernie and AOC supporters in Congress.

Both sides are moving goalposts so fast it’s hard to keep tabs on. The thought that AOC and hard line left wing politicians won’t be able to effect policy change in America is dangerously naive. You also just disproved your own point. Trump did it... and if he is so appealing to people disenfranchised by the status quo... then why is it impossible that AOC can’t either? If that statement is true, than full blown socialism can take hold in America.

I’m not registered in either party and haven’t voted for one of them in years, but I’m getting sick of people saying “that would never happen in America.” I’m sure the French Royalists said the same shit as they were rolling gulliotines into the town squares. It’s not a melodramatic thought to protect natural human rights embodied in the constitution and we as a society take them for granted.
 

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I thought we weren’t supposed to do whatabouttism?

...and lots of people are opposed to AOC’s policy ideas - including her own party members. Pelosi hasn’t even come out and supported her shenanigans. Way more Democrats are distancing themselves from Bernie/AOC than Republicans are from Trump. They know moderate Americans won’t bite off of looney left wing authoritarian policies and are trying to keep the crazies in the asylum.

Both sides are moving goalposts so fast it’s hard to keep tabs on. The thought that AOC and hard line left wing politicians won’t be able to effect policy change in America is dangerously naive. You also just disproved your own point. Trump did it... and if he is so appealing to people disenfranchised by the status quo... then why is it impossible that AOC can’t either? If that statement is true, than full blown socialism can take hold in America.
Whataboutism is quite different than asking for some intellectual honesty out of folks. I hate turnips, it doesn’t much matter if my best friend or greatest event serves them.

To your question of how Trump did it, but how I don’t believe she (or those like minded) can? I believe there were and remain MANY more “closet” nationalist and DJT supporters than we fully appreciate. It’s a generational issue. One loud mouth bartender isn’t going tochange that - today. But like I’ve said a few times now, reach for the moon and you might get to the end of the street, and that might not be the terrible thing our merry band of meme generators wet the bed over at night.
 

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There's so much talk about automation and robots these days, but I think political cartoonists face the greatest threat of job extinction thanks to boundless memes. :D
 

Randy Daytona

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The GND is not going to happen, at least not as she’s attempted to define it. And the US isn’t going to become a socialist economy, at least not any more than it already is - most of those posting here being some of the biggest beneficiaries...

That Fox (and others responsible for the intellectual and moral degradation of my parent’s generation) find AOC so fascinating and at the same time frightening says a lot - most of which won’t/can’t be accepted by their viewers.

For those hiding behind the “her ideas are anathema to our way of life and run counter to our foundational documents” argument - wake up and look around. The folks who put the current, eh hem, disruptive personality in the WH chose just such a person because they truly believe(d) that the status quo wasn’t working for them. Isn’t that what she’s saying, but from a different side of the aisle?

But hey, I’ll give you credit, at least you used words instead of a meme generator the nice orderly at the memory-care clinic taught you to use.
The GND may not happen, but Senate Leader McConnell is going to bring up to a vote as AOC has defined it. Will be interesting to watch all of the Democratic Senators running for President be put on the spot and vote.

Mitch McConnell is going to force the Senate to vote on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/mitch-mcconnell-to-force-the-senate-to-vote-on-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal.html
 

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The GND may not happen, but Senate Leader McConnell is going to bring up to a vote as AOC has defined it. Will be interesting to watch all of the Democratic Senators running for President be put on the spot and vote.

Mitch McConnell is going to force the Senate to vote on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/mitch-mcconnell-to-force-the-senate-to-vote-on-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal.html
Cool... good to see he's still not pushing forward with legislation that matters to anyone or has any chance of passing, and therefore improving anyone's lives - let alone his own constituents.

If GND is still a relevant discussion point early in 2020 at the height of shit-throwing campaigning I'll be shocked.
 
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