ghost said:
Port Delta for Helo's .... right ??? Or jets, too ???
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Square Away an Army Aviator
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Port Delta for Helo's .... right ??? Or jets, too ???
Skid (or anyone else), if you want an electronic copy of the Joint Rotorcraft Handbook, send me a military email address and I'll fire it off to you.
rutledgem@soar.army.mil
rutledgem@soar.army.mil
Here is a link to a similar pub, I think. I have seen the Army one, it is more of a handbook.
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/new_pubs/jp3_04_1.pdf
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/new_pubs/jp3_04_1.pdf
Cv Natops!
Helo's around the CV(N)...brought to mind the attached pictures. I also found a PDF version of the CV Natops at: http://navyair.com/CV_NATOPS_Manual.pdf
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Helo's around the CV(N)...brought to mind the attached pictures. I also found a PDF version of the CV Natops at: http://navyair.com/CV_NATOPS_Manual.pdf
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems as though by the way y'all talk, that helo bubba's are almost second class citizens when it comes to air ops around the Boat. Sequestered to a life of starboard, or port in this case, delta. I'm not trying to stir up trouble, I'm just genuinely curious as to what the dynamic is between the rotary bubba's and the fixed wing dudes when it comes to blue water CVN ops. Pardon the naive question and thanks.
Where flight ops are concerned, helos are supposed to be seen and not heard. Seriously. It is indeed a bit of a second class citizen life. Which is why det life on single spot ships is more appealing. But the down side to that is you have skulls who have no concept of aviation operations. So it's the fire and ice debate.
Living on a CV is awesome - food 24/7, decent laundry facilities, all the fresh hot water you want - and a boat that is all about aviation.
So you put up with the ribbing about not being a "real aviator" but time comes when you see the white and orange plumes of a 'chute and the Boss screaming "angel!" and you ever so cooly key your mic and say "inbound" - kind of makes it ok, lol
Living on a CV is awesome - food 24/7, decent laundry facilities, all the fresh hot water you want - and a boat that is all about aviation.
So you put up with the ribbing about not being a "real aviator" but time comes when you see the white and orange plumes of a 'chute and the Boss screaming "angel!" and you ever so cooly key your mic and say "inbound" - kind of makes it ok, lol
It must just be PFM on the small boys.ChuckMK23 said:
Damn, Skid, you are a stickler...
I think legally, you may have a point, since it's a JPub. But in reality, it's doing nothing more than reprinting the other Naval pubs. So I guess it's a chicken or the egg thing. I swear for a while there, Opnav was getting updated every other month, so did the J Pub get updated? I don't think so. Do people then fly w/ an outdated pub? Technically, yeah, probably. But the carrier or LHA airspace hasn't really been changed in a long time, or the FFG-12 (I think it is) hasn't been centerline approach capabable since it was built, and both are depicted so in the JSHIP, so I guess you're "safe."
As for real world ops, well, use the JSHIP for what it is: gouge. You know CV/LHA Natops (or most of it) already, but it's nice to have a crib sheet. Just like I'm sure you can tell me stats off your shot cards, but I'm sure you still reference them. JSHIP is a pub, so it can be in the Navbag w/ everything else, but everyone seems to use it as gouge.
I know I'm telling you stuff you already know, but trying to answer your question...rhetorical or otherwise.
I think legally, you may have a point, since it's a JPub. But in reality, it's doing nothing more than reprinting the other Naval pubs. So I guess it's a chicken or the egg thing. I swear for a while there, Opnav was getting updated every other month, so did the J Pub get updated? I don't think so. Do people then fly w/ an outdated pub? Technically, yeah, probably. But the carrier or LHA airspace hasn't really been changed in a long time, or the FFG-12 (I think it is) hasn't been centerline approach capabable since it was built, and both are depicted so in the JSHIP, so I guess you're "safe."
As for real world ops, well, use the JSHIP for what it is: gouge. You know CV/LHA Natops (or most of it) already, but it's nice to have a crib sheet. Just like I'm sure you can tell me stats off your shot cards, but I'm sure you still reference them. JSHIP is a pub, so it can be in the Navbag w/ everything else, but everyone seems to use it as gouge.
I know I'm telling you stuff you already know, but trying to answer your question...rhetorical or otherwise.
