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Spoiler free current OCS gouge including flight physical details

Mouselovr

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Contributor
OCS is currently on a standdown. Thought to write some quick notes on the current gouge of OCS, and my experience including the infamous OCS flight physical.
Hope this can give some info I found lacking on the forum/ease some anxieties without spoiling anything major about OCS.

Pre-OCS

Work out. Be in good shape. Study bravo. Read that again.

Please, please, please do not show up out of shape. The number of people that showed up clearly out of shape, not even capable of passing the basic IST is shocking.

Welcome to OCS.

And again, study bravo.

Rolling

I am shocked this is not a more discussed topic of OCS. Rolling classes is extremely common. An average of 40% of an original OCS class will roll to H-company. H-company is a temporary holding company comprised primarily of injury or event rolled candidates. H-company is a very nice place. You have lots of time to study, sleep and hang out. Most people who rolled to H reflect positively on their time, so if you end up in H for whatever circumstances arise, please do not be discouraged.

Event rolling occurs during one of the major “rollable events”. I won’t give too many details on these events as it spoils the fun. Keep in mind, someone dumber and in worse shape than you has made it through these events. Scream your head off. At some points, you are going to be standing on your face while pulling knowledge from the back of your brain, so learn bravo like a second language.

Men

Buy a good razor. You’ll be shaving every single day if not twice a day if you have fast-growing hair. If you have skin issues that make it impossible/ painful to shave every day, try to get yourself to medical as soon as possible to get a paperwork exception. In the first couple of weeks, everyone has a bald head and a shaved face, so it takes the staff a bit to figure out who you are individual. Take advantage of that momentary anonymousness.

Ladies

OCS is a subjective program. However, a man in mediocre shape stands out a lot less than a female in mediocre shape. You do not have to keep pace with the Spec Ops men who can crank out 200 pushups, but be able to do as many burpees, pushups, v-ups as you can then get up and run without gassing yourself. The DIs know female maxes are different, so they care far more about resilience than keeping pace with a prospective Navy SEAL. You will not be targeted because you are female at OCS, but you will be targeted for falling behind.

NAMI/ Medical Physicals

Early in the first week, the whole class will go to medical. They’ll ask if anything has changed in your medical history, give you a flu shot, blood, urinalysis, chest x-ray and call it a day. Later that week, they’ll check your dental record. For non aviators, this should be the end of your visits to medical.

As for you aviators, depending on the number of NFOs/SNAs in your class, they’ll send you in groups over the course of a couple of days. NAMI will take all day. You’ll start off with a meeting with the Flight Doc and quickly talk about your medical history. After that, you’ll be sitting around studying Bravo as they check your eyes in every possible way. They’ll check hearing, your measurements, EKG along with another couple of odd things. Most people will need a consult of some kind which is a follow-up appointment that will be scheduled later at OCS. A minority will be told, “your stuff should be okay.” No one will leave the flight physical with 100% certainty as everything needs to be processed in Pensacola in the next couple of months.

Ask questions throughout the day. They will tell you on the spot if you DQ at any point. They will immediately tell you if a waiver is possible or not and your odds. The same rule applies for consults. They will tell you why they are sending you for a consult, if they think they need to waiver you or not, or if they are sending you just “to have someone else tell me there is nothing wrong with you.”. Unless you roll, all aviators are currently going to student pool regardless of waivers or not. This is highly subject to change in the future.

The flight doc is extremely friendly and will try to waiver you for everything he/she can. Please tell the flight docs everything. They are on your side. We were told that by the end of the flight school, more than half of aviators are on a waiver of some kind.

Anecdotally, in my group of 15, 1 DQed on the spot, 10 needed consults, 2 DQed with waivers and 2 were told “your stuff should be okay.” Every group will be different.

It is impossible to figure out the % of aviators that DQ at OCS. People choose to DOR without saying anything, some people roll to different classes before you can learn their names. For what it’s worth, in my class, I believe we had 5 aviators DQ with no waivers offered.
 
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GoldLeaf

Well-Known Member
OCS is currently on a standdown. Thought to write some quick notes on the current gouge of OCS, and my experience including the infamous OCS flight physical.
Hope this can give some info I found lacking on the forum/ease some anxieties without spoiling anything major about OCS.

Pre-OCS

Work out. Be in good shape. Study bravo. Read that again.

Please, please, please do not show up out of shape. The number of people that showed up clearly out of shape, not even capable of passing the basic IST is shocking.

Welcome to OCS.

And again, study bravo.

Rolling

I am shocked this is not a more discussed topic of OCS. Rolling classes is extremely common. An average of 40% of an original OCS class will roll to H-company. H-company is a temporary holding company comprised primarily of injury or event rolled candidates. H-company is a very nice place. You have lots of time to study, sleep and hang out. Most people who rolled to H reflect positively on their time, so if you end up in H for whatever circumstances arise, please do not be discouraged.

Event rolling occurs during one of the major “rollable events”. I won’t give too many details on these events as it spoils the fun. Keep in mind, someone dumber and in worse shape than you has made it through these events. Scream your head off. At some points, you are going to be standing on your face while pulling knowledge from the back of your brain, so learn bravo like a second language.

Men

Buy a good razor. You’ll be shaving every single day if not twice a day if you have fast-growing hair. If you have skin issues that make it impossible/ painful to shave every day, try to get yourself to medical as soon as possible to get a paperwork exception. In the first couple of weeks, everyone has a bald head and a shaved face, so it takes the staff a bit to figure out who you are individual. Take advantage of that momentary anonymousness.

Ladies

OCS is a subjective program. However, a man in mediocre shape stands out a lot less than a female in mediocre shape. You do not have to keep pace with the Spec Ops men who can crank out 200 pushups, but be able to do as many burpees, pushups, v-ups as you can then get up and run without gassing yourself. The DIs know female maxes are different, so they care far more about resilience than keeping pace with a prospective Navy SEAL. You will not be targeted because you are female at OCS, but you will be targeted for falling behind.

NAMI/ Medical Physicals

Early in the first week, the whole class will go to medical. They’ll ask if anything has changed in your medical history, give you a flu shot, blood, urinalysis, chest x-ray and call it a day. Later that week, they’ll check your dental record. For non aviators, this should be the end of your visits to medical.

As for you aviators, depending on the number of NFOs/SNAs in your class, they’ll send you in groups over the course of a couple of days. NAMI will take all day. You’ll start off with a meeting with the Flight Doc and quickly talk about your medical history. After that, you’ll be sitting around studying Bravo as they check your eyes in every possible way. They’ll check hearing, your measurements, EKG along with another couple of odd things. Most people will need a consult of some kind which is a follow-up appointment that will be scheduled later at OCS. A minority will be told, “your stuff should be okay.” No one will leave the flight physical with 100% certainty as everything needs to be processed in Pensacola in the next couple of months.

Ask questions throughout the day. They will tell you on the spot if you DQ at any point. They will immediately tell you if a waiver is possible or not and your odds. The same rule applies for consults. They will tell you why they are sending you for a consult, if they think they need to waiver you or not, or if they are sending you just “to have someone else tell me there is nothing wrong with you.”. Unless you roll, all aviators are currently going to student pool regardless of waivers or not. This is highly subject to change in the future.

The flight doc is extremely friendly and will try to waiver you for everything he/she can. Please tell the flight docs everything. They are on your side. We were told that by the end of the flight school, more than half of aviators are on a waiver of some kind.

Anecdotally, in my group of 15, 1 DQed on the spot, 10 needed consults, 2 DQed with waivers and 2 were told “your stuff should be okay.” Every group will be different.

It is impossible to figure out the % of aviators that DQ at OCS. People choose to DOR without saying anything, some people roll to different classes before you can learn their names. For what it’s worth, in my class, I believe we had 5 aviators DQ with no waivers offered.
Are there any things that you can share that stood out to you that got individuals DQed or things to keep an eye out for? I have no medical waivers etc, no medication, no prior surgeries etc. Just trying to get an idea of things that would get you DQed.
 

Mouselovr

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Contributor
Are there any things that you can share that stood out to you that got individuals DQed or things to keep an eye out for? I have no medical waivers etc, no medication, no prior surgeries etc. Just trying to get an idea of things that would get you DQed.
Almost everything was eye stuff.
People who had perfect vision their whole lives, so they never got their eyes looked at professionally. Thin eyewalls, spots on optic nerves.... stuff that the standard eye test would never reveal or ever matter for regular civis. My advice is to go to an optometrist pre-OCS and have them look, so you know what you're in for.
Other random one was misaligned spines.

Pretty much everything else was given a waiver or a follow-up consult.
 

GoldLeaf

Well-Known Member
Almost everything was eye stuff.
People who had perfect vision their whole lives, so they never got their eyes looked at professionally. Thin eyewalls, spots on optic nerves.... stuff that the standard eye test would never reveal or ever matter for regular civis. My advice is to go to an optometrist pre-OCS and have them look, so you know what you're in for.
Other random one was misaligned spines.

Pretty much everything else was given a waiver or a follow-up consult.
Gotcha, I appreciate you sharing. Probably gonna schedule one then haha.
 

Mouselovr

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Contributor
What's this bravo thing that you are constantly studying?
Appendix Bravo. If you google “Navy Appendix Bravo”, it will show up. Should be things like mission of the navy, ranks, code of conduct etc.
I don't understand the reference to spoilers. What is there to spoil?
There’s some stuff you sign to not talk about at OCS. Other things constantly change on a class to class basis so talking about it here would be bad gouge.
 

GoldLeaf

Well-Known Member
Appendix Bravo. If you google “Navy Appendix Bravo”, it will show up. Should be things like mission of the navy, ranks, code of conduct etc.

There’s some stuff you sign to not talk about at OCS. Other things constantly change on a class to class basis so talking about it here would be bad gouge.
can't spoil the fun :)
 

Jstalz

Active Member
Appendix Bravo. If you google “Navy Appendix Bravo”, it will show up. Should be things like mission of the navy, ranks, code of conduct etc.

There’s some stuff you sign to not talk about at OCS. Other things constantly change on a class to class basis so talking about it here would be bad gouge.
So I'm guessing Bravo is like a ton of stuff to memorize? Do people study it before going to OCS?
 

jono

Active Member
OCS is currently on a standdown. Thought to write some quick notes on the current gouge of OCS, and my experience including the infamous OCS flight physical.
Hope this can give some info I found lacking on the forum/ease some anxieties without spoiling anything major about OCS.

Pre-OCS

Work out. Be in good shape. Study bravo. Read that again.

Please, please, please do not show up out of shape. The number of people that showed up clearly out of shape, not even capable of passing the basic IST is shocking.

Welcome to OCS.

And again, study bravo.

Rolling

I am shocked this is not a more discussed topic of OCS. Rolling classes is extremely common. An average of 40% of an original OCS class will roll to H-company. H-company is a temporary holding company comprised primarily of injury or event rolled candidates. H-company is a very nice place. You have lots of time to study, sleep and hang out. Most people who rolled to H reflect positively on their time, so if you end up in H for whatever circumstances arise, please do not be discouraged.

Event rolling occurs during one of the major “rollable events”. I won’t give too many details on these events as it spoils the fun. Keep in mind, someone dumber and in worse shape than you has made it through these events. Scream your head off. At some points, you are going to be standing on your face while pulling knowledge from the back of your brain, so learn bravo like a second language.

Men

Buy a good razor. You’ll be shaving every single day if not twice a day if you have fast-growing hair. If you have skin issues that make it impossible/ painful to shave every day, try to get yourself to medical as soon as possible to get a paperwork exception. In the first couple of weeks, everyone has a bald head and a shaved face, so it takes the staff a bit to figure out who you are individual. Take advantage of that momentary anonymousness.

Ladies

OCS is a subjective program. However, a man in mediocre shape stands out a lot less than a female in mediocre shape. You do not have to keep pace with the Spec Ops men who can crank out 200 pushups, but be able to do as many burpees, pushups, v-ups as you can then get up and run without gassing yourself. The DIs know female maxes are different, so they care far more about resilience than keeping pace with a prospective Navy SEAL. You will not be targeted because you are female at OCS, but you will be targeted for falling behind.

NAMI/ Medical Physicals

Early in the first week, the whole class will go to medical. They’ll ask if anything has changed in your medical history, give you a flu shot, blood, urinalysis, chest x-ray and call it a day. Later that week, they’ll check your dental record. For non aviators, this should be the end of your visits to medical.

As for you aviators, depending on the number of NFOs/SNAs in your class, they’ll send you in groups over the course of a couple of days. NAMI will take all day. You’ll start off with a meeting with the Flight Doc and quickly talk about your medical history. After that, you’ll be sitting around studying Bravo as they check your eyes in every possible way. They’ll check hearing, your measurements, EKG along with another couple of odd things. Most people will need a consult of some kind which is a follow-up appointment that will be scheduled later at OCS. A minority will be told, “your stuff should be okay.” No one will leave the flight physical with 100% certainty as everything needs to be processed in Pensacola in the next couple of months.

Ask questions throughout the day. They will tell you on the spot if you DQ at any point. They will immediately tell you if a waiver is possible or not and your odds. The same rule applies for consults. They will tell you why they are sending you for a consult, if they think they need to waiver you or not, or if they are sending you just “to have someone else tell me there is nothing wrong with you.”. Unless you roll, all aviators are currently going to student pool regardless of waivers or not. This is highly subject to change in the future.

The flight doc is extremely friendly and will try to waiver you for everything he/she can. Please tell the flight docs everything. They are on your side. We were told that by the end of the flight school, more than half of aviators are on a waiver of some kind.

Anecdotally, in my group of 15, 1 DQed on the spot, 10 needed consults, 2 DQed with waivers and 2 were told “your stuff should be okay.” Every group will be different.

It is impossible to figure out the % of aviators that DQ at OCS. People choose to DOR without saying anything, some people roll to different classes before you can learn their names. For what it’s worth, in my class, I believe we had 5 aviators DQ with no waivers offered.
Thanks for all the information! What do you mean by OCS is on a standdown?
 

NevarYalnal

Well-Known Member
So I'm guessing Bravo is like a ton of stuff to memorize? Do people study it before going to OCS?
some people study it before going to OCS but honestly being in shape is far more important. every evolution that requires appendix knowledge has a retake available for day 1 fails; several physical evolutions are one and done.
 

Mouselovr

Well-Known Member
Contributor
So I'm guessing Bravo is like a ton of stuff to memorize? Do people study it before going to OCS?
some people study it before going to OCS but honestly being in shape is far more important. every evolution that requires appendix knowledge has a retake available for day 1 fails; several physical evolutions are one and done.
It’s not a ton of information, but it’s information you have to know incredibly well. You will be reasked and told to recite it while under a lot of pressure. Most of my peers either did decent studying in advance, stress crammed or got damn lucky.

I would agree with the physical side of things. Especially in the first phase of training.
 
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