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Some questions I had for my future plans within the Navy.

TheDuckyBoi

New Member
Heyo! First time positing here.

After a solid year of trying to get into the Navy, I was finally sworn in yesterday! Though the only issue I face is the rate I struck which was SE-PACT (Due to my low ASVAB score and lack of other Rates available.) I know it's a fairly controversial Rate from what I've seen from my hours of searching around but I wanted to know if it'll impact my future endeavors within the Navy.

I was hoping to go through college, or at least try to, while in the Navy as I lack a lot of funds to go to actually attend school as a civilian. But after College I was hoping to create an OCS package to try at getting a Commission for the Navy to become an Aviation Officer to fly.

What programs should I look into while in the Navy? What should I do within the Navy to make myself more competitive IF I even get a shot at going to OCS? I also wear glasses so I'll have to get PRK surgery. Will this mess up my chance at becoming Naval Aviation as well?
 

TheDuckyBoi

New Member
I'm not quite sure how to edit a post so I'll just add onto it in the replies.

How difficult would it be to get a shot at STA-21? And if I did get into STA-21 would I be able to choose what program I go into, IE, I'm still PACT and I'm able to swap to Aviation.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
pilot
Contributor
Hey, so many things to cover:

  1. Welcome to the Navy.
  2. Understand you can do Surface or Engineering ratings after your apprenticeships are up, is that correct? Either way, none will necessarily have an affect on what you can do as an officer.
  3. The forums have a lot of goodness and you should search around. You are certainly not the first enlisted member to ask similar questions. Read.
  4. In order to go to college in the Navy, take every opportunity for education. If you deploy, sometimes they bring on college professors on the big decks; there's a credentialing system called NAVY-COOL, there's a Tuition Assistance Program to help you as well. However, balancing school with a full time job is challenging, and TA in particular is usually not open to Sailors at their first command without special permission (basically the chain of command saying "yeah this guy can handle a full time job and college courses).
  5. STA-21 is a very competitive program. Definitely apply as early as you are allowed and as often as you can. Don't get discouraged. Just keep plugging away at college while applying to it and doing a good job.
  6. How to do a good job? Do your job, don't complain and keep a good attitude, don't let yourself get out of shape, keep your uniforms professional looking, and don't get into debt.
 

P3 F0

Well-Known Member
None
STA-21 is very heavily weighted toward Nukes and the Nuke world, and it's hard even then. If you're shooting for a non-Nuke slot in the STA-21 program, your odds get even further out of reach. You probably have a better shot at completing what college courses you can while you're in using TA, then getting out at the end of your obligation and using your GI Bill to finish the degree and shoot for OCS. Bear in mind that you'll need >3.0 GPA to stay competitive for SWO and Aviation.... more than that for most other communities.
 

AllAmerican75

FUBIJAR
None
Contributor
  1. What programs should I look into while in the Navy?
  2. What should I do within the Navy to make myself more competitive IF I even get a shot at going to OCS?
  3. I also wear glasses so I'll have to get PRK surgery.
  4. Will this mess up my chance at becoming Naval Aviation as well?

Welcome to the Great Adventure. When you get to the Fleet, you're going to be confronted with an adventure like you've never experienced before. When you get to your first ship, you will be assigned to Deck Division/Department (Depends upon the size and type of ship) and will work for/alongside the Boatswain's Mates. Deck can be a rough time as it's very physical labor and there's a lot of chipping paint and grinding rust in the hot sun. You'll also be on a watchbill and stand watch doing things that seem pointless but are absolutely vital to the safety and security of the ship. You will have a Chief Boatswain's Mate and many BM1s, BM2s, and BM3s who you will take orders from and they can teach you a lot about your job, the Navy, and life.

During your first year or so on board, you need to do everything you can to get qualified as quickly as possible. This will involve learning how to shoot a weapon, stand a topside security watch, line handling, drive the ship, and stand a lookout watch at sea. You will also be sent to work in the galley, goat locker, or wardroom as a mess crank; this will likely suck but it allows you to get to know the rest of the crew and see what they do during their daily routine. Use your downtime as a mess crank to get qualified and to see what other rates do. Same goes if you get sent to be a DCPO. Don't worry if none of this makes sense right now, it will when you get to your ship.

Around the 2-3 year mark you will have the opportunity to strike a rate. This is the optimal time to go find what you want to do with your enlisted career in the Navy and to go seek out the officers on board who are prior-enlisted. Ask them how they became an officer and find one who can mentor you. The Warrants and Limited Duty Officers (LDOs) on board are great for this. They can be grumpy but that's the nature of Warrants. Do know that the Boatswain's Mates that you work for will be pushing hard for you to strike BM like them; you will hear "Anybody can make rate but only God can make a Boatswain's Mate!" a lot. Understand that as a Seaman Recruit and Seaman Apprentice you will not have much control over your life. You will live on the ship, go where the ship goes, and be told what to do nearly every waking moment of your life. This is just the nature of the world. Don't let it get you down too much. Find a group of friends, have fun on liberty, learn how to skate but don't skate too much, work hard, and invest in yourself everyday.

To answer your questions specifically:

1. Get qualified first and make a name for yourself as a hard worker who doesn't complain or argue too much. It goes a long way. Once you've done that, start talking to your First Class(es), Chief, and Division Officer about getting college classes knocked out. These will likely be general education courses until you can get to shore duty (4-5 year mark) and really devote yourself to finishing up your degree. Getting advanced classes completed at sea is extremely difficult and you will not get good evals or a good reputation by shirking your day job for college classes. Look into Tuition Assistance and NCPACE through your command. Also look into Navy COOL which translates in-rate training and qualifications into college credits. There are a couple of other programs available in Norfolk and Jacksonville. If you end up in Mayport, seek out the guys doing online courses with University of Jacksonville and UNF which have programs to provide you with college equivalency for your time in the Navy. In fact, they led the nation in establishing these sorts of programs (They were the first STA-21 schools). But first and foremost, get qualified!

2. Talk to prior-enlisted officers (Mustangs) and ask them to mentor you. Most are more than willing to do so. Also, seek out your career counselor (Rate is NC, likely an NC1 or NCC) on board and tell him you're interested in OCS. His job is to get you a rate, retain you in the Navy, and help you plan your career. Understand that he gets evaluated based upon retention so he will say whatever it is he can to retain you in the Navy.

3. Getting PRK on sea duty is difficult and is likely not going to happen. Also, it is nearly impossible to get PRK as junior enlisted unless it's medically necessary. Don't worry, you'll have time once you have a rate and are on sea duty. All you'll need to do is get approval from your command, get the go ahead from your primary care manager (An actual doctor or a Corpsman, depends), and then get on the waiting list. There are also options for LASIK now, but I'm not sure how that works. Even if you can't get surgery, there's nothing wrong with being an NFO.

4. If you want to be in Naval Aviation while enlisted, then yes. You would have to find a way to strike and aviation rate and secure an A-school quota. This isn't impossible, and I've seen it done, but it will be easier to strike a surface rate that then translates over to aviation such as Corpsman, Personnel Specialist, Yeoman, or Logistics Specialist. These are also difficult to get as you will need good test scores on the rating exam to get them. Talk to your career counselor. Also, work hard and get qualified quickly; this will pay dividends when you need to start asking for favors for your career.

TLDR: Work hard, get qualified quickly, keep your nose clean (NJP doesn't look good on OCS applications), and don't forget to have some fun. If you find yourself in Souda Bay, make sure you volunteer to go on the gyro runs.

If you deploy, sometimes they bring on college professors aboard. . .

This is no longer the case. DoN cut the NCPACE-IL program last year. https://www.military.com/daily-news...he Navy ended,taught by a civilian instructor.
 

AllAmerican75

FUBIJAR
None
Contributor
I’ve seen plenty of junior Es get PRK on a sea duty tour.

Were they undesignated deck seamen fresh out of Great Lakes? If he's able to find time, good on him, but it'll be difficult to work around the ship's and the doctor's schedules.
 

Brett327

Well-Known Member
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Were they undesignated deck seamen fresh out of Great Lakes? If he's able to find time, good on him, but it'll be difficult to work around the ship's and the doctor's schedules.
Not specifically undes, but it doesn’t make any difference. If they qualify for the procedure, the ophthalmologist doing it has capacity, and you aren’t getting underway in the next two weeks, there’s zero reason for any CO to not give a thumbs up for that. In fact, I would argue that withholding it would be unethical. I approved several folks for that during my squadron command.
 

flgator92

Well-Known Member
None
STA-21 is very heavily weighted toward Nukes and the Nuke world, and it's hard even then. If you're shooting for a non-Nuke slot in the STA-21 program, your odds get even further out of reach. You probably have a better shot at completing what college courses you can while you're in using TA, then getting out at the end of your obligation and using your GI Bill to finish the degree and shoot for OCS. Bear in mind that you'll need >3.0 GPA to stay competitive for SWO and Aviation.... more than that for most other communities.
Speaking with friends who commissioned from STA-21, this is 100 percent accurate. It's highly competitive. It may be easier to get an online degree or attend a school near your duty station, and then putting in a package for OCS. If you looked at the stats, I'd imagine a lot more prior enlisted do that vice STA-21.
 

BasketballisLife

Well-Known Member
Heyo! First time positing here.

After a solid year of trying to get into the Navy, I was finally sworn in yesterday! Though the only issue I face is the rate I struck which was SE-PACT (Due to my low ASVAB score and lack of other Rates available.) I know it's a fairly controversial Rate from what I've seen from my hours of searching around but I wanted to know if it'll impact my future endeavors within the Navy.

I was hoping to go through college, or at least try to, while in the Navy as I lack a lot of funds to go to actually attend school as a civilian. But after College I was hoping to create an OCS package to try at getting a Commission for the Navy to become an Aviation Officer to fly.

What programs should I look into while in the Navy? What should I do within the Navy to make myself more competitive IF I even get a shot at going to OCS? I also wear glasses so I'll have to get PRK surgery. Will this mess up my chance at becoming Naval Aviation as well?


I echo what everyone else has said on here. I can't really add much new information because everyone else has said the gist of what I would say.

The only thing of merit that I can add is that I was more or less in your shoes years ago as well. I joined the Navy under the EPACT program as well. It is a grind, you will be busy and tasked with tedious jobs and duties. Don't get discouraged though. Get qualified and be that rockstar E-3 in your department. It's easy to standout and earn EP's when you're an E-4 and below. Just don't be lazy and do as your told (that's the job as a junior enlisted). Also, don't marry the first woman you meet or buy a dumb mustang on 20% interest; my guess is that you're between 18-20, so just realize you will meet so many women throughout yours 20s.

Find your group of friends, network, and steer clear of the shitbags. Undes can be a tough life but whatever you do, remember why you joined. The grind won't last forever. The first year or two is tough but you'll find your niche.

I will be honest, I don't miss my undesignated days but those are memories I will forever cherish and value. Some of my best friends in life are from my Undes underway/deployment days. Knowing that I started as an Undes reminds me of where I came from and it honestly gave me thick skin for whenever the Navy or leadership hits me with some bullshit.

It's been years since I struck a rate and am stuck in E-5 purgatory because quotas to e-6 for me are dismally low. I just submitted my application to OCS after 8 years of Active Duty and Reserve experience. I'm praying for the best and am applying with a bachelor's degree, master's degree, several EP's, a few awards/accolades, and strong letter's of rec from high ranking officers and my dean. I actually enlisted with my bachelor's, but after my first four years I went to the reserves and used my GI bill to complete a masters. I am now on Active Duty Recall orders from the Reserves and am awaiting for my OCS selection board to convene (fingers crossed).

Years ago I was in your same shoes, so if you have any questions along the way feel free to message me. I'm now 30 years old, and although I'm still junior enlisted I can speak on what you're about to experience and what you need to do to get yourself competitive. It is a long process and takes years of work, but never lose that motivation and fire. One thing I will note is that you stated your ASVAB was low, bare in mind the OAR is much more difficult than the ASVAB. Don't worry yourself with the OAR right now because you're just getting started but keep that in mind a few years from now. I plan to monitor this website and offer any insight throughout the rest of my career weather I'm selected for OCS or not. Feel free to PM me if you have additional questions.
 

ea6bflyr

Working Class Bum
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Some sage advice in this thread. (Write it down...if followed, it will pay you 10 fold)

I, too, started out as an non-designated Airman (Now called PACT). I was assigned to the USS Enterprise V-1 Division/Air Dept working on the flight deck. Long story short, I worked hard, did my rate training manuals, and was selected to attend Aviation Electrician's Mate 'A' school.

Worked hard to graduate honor grad, and was selected to fly as an Aircrewman. Made E-4/E-5, then started on the path to a commission.

Full time work and part time school is no fun, but worth it. I applied and was accepted to the now defunct Enlisted Commissioning Program (ECP) -- replaced by STA, then STA-21.

I attended 3 years of college, graduated, and made it back to Pensacola for flight school again, but this time as an NFO. Commissioned at 12 years of service, and retired at 28 years and 8 months of service. It was a slow career track and you have to stay focused on your goal, then your next goal. Small victories will get you the big win....good luck and enjoy the journey.
 

AIRMMCPORET

Plan “A” Retired
I echo what everyone else has said on here. I can't really add much new information because everyone else has said the gist of what I would say.

The only thing of merit that I can add is that I was more or less in your shoes years ago as well. I joined the Navy under the EPACT program as well. It is a grind, you will be busy and tasked with tedious jobs and duties. Don't get discouraged though. Get qualified and be that rockstar E-3 in your department. It's easy to standout and earn EP's when you're an E-4 and below. Just don't be lazy and do as your told (that's the job as a junior enlisted). Also, don't marry the first woman you meet or buy a dumb mustang on 20% interest; my guess is that you're between 18-20, so just realize you will meet so many women throughout yours 20s.

Find your group of friends, network, and steer clear of the shitbags. Undes can be a tough life but whatever you do, remember why you joined. The grind won't last forever. The first year or two is tough but you'll find your niche.

I will be honest, I don't miss my undesignated days but those are memories I will forever cherish and value. Some of my best friends in life are from my Undes underway/deployment days. Knowing that I started as an Undes reminds me of where I came from and it honestly gave me thick skin for whenever the Navy or leadership hits me with some bullshit.

It's been years since I struck a rate and am stuck in E-5 purgatory because quotas to e-6 for me are dismally low. I just submitted my application to OCS after 8 years of Active Duty and Reserve experience. I'm praying for the best and am applying with a bachelor's degree, master's degree, several EP's, a few awards/accolades, and strong letter's of rec from high ranking officers and my dean. I actually enlisted with my bachelor's, but after my first four years I went to the reserves and used my GI bill to complete a masters. I am now on Active Duty Recall orders from the Reserves and am awaiting for my OCS selection board to convene (fingers crossed).

Years ago I was in your same shoes, so if you have any questions along the way feel free to message me. I'm now 30 years old, and although I'm still junior enlisted I can speak on what you're about to experience and what you need to do to get yourself competitive. It is a long process and takes years of work, but never lose that motivation and fire. One thing I will note is that you stated your ASVAB was low, bare in mind the OAR is much more difficult than the ASVAB. Don't worry yourself with the OAR right now because you're just getting started but keep that in mind a few years from now. I plan to monitor this website and offer any insight throughout the rest of my career weather I'm selected for OCS or not. Feel free to PM me if you have additional questions.

What’s your rate?
 
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