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[Llarry]

While the Chinese navy is building warships like crazy, they have not neglected fleet support auxiliaries. If you postulate that their naval mission will be from the coast to the mid-Pacific, their need for unrep vessels would presumably be less than the USN's. Nevertheless, they have built nine replenishment oilers of a bit less than 24,000 tons each. They accommodate fuel oil, weapons and general stores and have but a single helicopter. Here is CNS Gaoyouhu (AOR-966) at Pearl Harbor.

 

[ChuckMK23]

While the Chinese navy is building warships like crazy, they have not neglected fleet support auxiliaries. If you postulate that their naval mission will be from the coast to the mid-Pacific, their need for unrep vessels would presumably be less than the USN's. Nevertheless, they have built nine replenishment oilers of a bit less than 24,000 tons each. They accommodate fuel oil, weapons and general stores and have but a single helicopter. Here is CNS Gaoyouhu (AOR-966) at Pearl Harbor.


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PLAN is deploying Z-20J on this platform for VERTREP operations - unsurprising.

 

[AIRMMCPORET]

While the Chinese navy is building warships like crazy, they have not neglected fleet support auxiliaries. If you postulate that their naval mission will be from the coast to the mid-Pacific, their need for unrep vessels would presumably be less than the USN's. Nevertheless, they have built nine replenishment oilers of a bit less than 24,000 tons each. They accommodate fuel oil, weapons and general stores and have but a single helicopter. Here is CNS Gaoyouhu (AOR-966) at Pearl Harbor.


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I’m not understanding why we let Chinese military ships in our country.

 

[ChuckMK23]

I’m not understanding why we let Chinese military ships in our country.

It's been a decade since this occured and these were goodwill/diplomatic/cultural in nature.

I do not think China is an enemy. IMHO, Our economies and economic prosperity are closely tied.

I think the best thing to happen for American consumers would be for relations to warm with China, and increase trade and reduce trade barriers. Granted that's opposite of current policy but hopefully the pendulum will swing back towards center.

 

[hscs]

It's been a decade since this occured and these were goodwill/diplomatic/cultural in nature.

I do not think China is an enemy. IMHO, Our economies and economic prosperity are closely tied.

I think the best thing to happen for American consumers would be for relations to warm with China, and increase trade and reduce trade barriers. Granted that's opposite of current policy but hopefully the pendulum will swing back towards

Many have said the same about other wars.

As for the PRC and Xi, sounds like you’re looking for a piece of paper declaring peace in our time. Good luck. Also, see Putin.

 

[ChuckMK23]

Many have said the same about other wars.

As for the PRC and Xi, sounds like you’re looking for a piece of paper declaring peace in our time. Good luck. Also, see Putin.

Fair points.

 

[ChuckMK23]

Many have said the same about other wars.

As for the PRC and Xi, sounds like you’re looking for a piece of paper declaring peace in our time. Good luck. Also, see Putin.

I want abundance and economic prosperity for myself and my family - I think most of us want that.

Is that too much to ask of our political leaders?

 

[hscs]

I want abundance and economic prosperity for myself and my family - I think most of us want that.

Is that too much to ask of our political leaders?

You have to ask them - the other countries. Recent article in the Guardian (I think) about Putin’s decision to invade 4 years ago showed Putin’s desires. Good read, but can’t find the link now. Given the recent sackings in the PRC, I would offer that Xi is no different.

I’ll bet their opaqueness vs having unfettered access to cheap Temu products.

 

[sevenhelmet]

It's been a decade since this occured and these were goodwill/diplomatic/cultural in nature.

I do not think China is an enemy. IMHO, Our economies and economic prosperity are closely tied.

I think the best thing to happen for American consumers would be for relations to warm with China, and increase trade and reduce trade barriers. Granted that's opposite of current policy but hopefully the pendulum will swing back towards center.

Nixon called, he wants his policy back.

If China wasn’t openly stealing all the IP they can get their hands on, ripping off good products and undercutting them, and pumping our economy full of cheap crap that won’t last until Christmas, I might agree.

What you suggest isn’t prosperity, it’s giving a drunk a drink. China is out to get us totally hooked on their stuff so they can control the entire game, and they want it soon, before their demographic situation completely collapses (age crisis). If we lean into that, we get less prosperity with more dependence, and it’ll be exactly what we deserve. That same demographic crisis will lead to shortages here when the Chinese workforce can no longer support the level of consumption we’re used to. Even without Chinese dominance ambitions, it’s unsustainable.

We need to be looking at China with more skepticism as consumers and business leaders. While decoupling is unrealistic, some guardrails and limits are necessary to keep our agency.

 

[hscs]

We need to be looking at China with more skepticism as consumers and business leaders. While decoupling is unrealistic, some guardrails and limits are necessary to keep our agency.

And hammer the PRC’s ability to increase reliance on robots to build things to offset said population crisis.

 

[number9]

Nixon called, he wants his policy back.

If China wasn’t openly stealing all the IP they can get their hands on, ripping off good products and undercutting them, and pumping our economy full of cheap crap that won’t last until Christmas, I might agree.

What you suggest isn’t prosperity, it’s giving a drunk a drink. China is out to get us totally hooked on their stuff so they can control the entire game, and they want it soon, before their demographic situation completely collapses (age crisis). If we lean into that, we get less prosperity with more dependence, and it’ll be exactly what we deserve. That same demographic crisis will lead to shortages here when the Chinese workforce can no longer support the level of consumption we’re used to. Even without Chinese dominance ambitions, it’s unsustainable.

We need to be looking at China with more skepticism as consumers and business leaders. While decoupling is unrealistic, some guardrails and limits are necessary to keep our agency.

The problem is that basically none of our policies offer an answer to this; slapping 39% tariffs on Switzerland of all countries isn't going to keep the Chinese economy from our door.

 

[ChuckMK23]

And hammer the PRC’s ability to increase reliance on robots to build things to offset said population crisis.

Significant percentage of senior engineers technical managers and executives in PRC were trained through or by Apple....

This trained workforce has made its way into every major corporation in China from BYD to DJI and to many defense and aerospace concerns.