REVOLVER in .45 ACP

[A4sForever]

As my threadjack continues:........
I guess now I need to get smart on the gun laws in Hawaii. Went to the range quite a few times with some of my buds that had guns out there (the range over by Hanama Bay, whatever it was called), but basically clueless on what the rules were........!!

Wel-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l, then ..... try this:

Guns in the Territory???

In 2 1/2 words: Hassle .... Do-able. The "Territory" is such a great place, but it is possibly the most politically "g-unfriendly" locale in the Union. Not that the populace doesn't "like" guns or you can't possess them -- I know some fellows with magnificent collections who reside there permanently.

It's just that the politicians have made it really tough to live and breathe if you possess firearms and next to impossible to carry legally for the law abiding citizen. I think a lot of it is driven by the influence of the large Japanese/Nisei/Isei population, their local politicians, and the generational anti-gun influence from Japan. Believe it.

Ironically, a lot of hypocrisy is front & center as all too many of the "Bruddah's" carry -- but illegally. And for your generic law-abiding Haole? It's tight, restrictive, and like everything else there ---it depends. For personal protection (in quarters) or "go to the range" type of personal firearms (and Koko Head has an excellent range -- I believe that's what you meant when you said Hanauma Bay) --- basically no problem, just another Hawaii bureaucratic hassle.

Rifles , handguns, or shotguns, new or antique, working or not (!!) --- they all have to be registered in Hawaii, usually within 3 days (!!) of your arrival. And, of course, if in a PCS shipment, any firearm will be listed, so the bureaucrats will know. If handguns, still no "real" problem, but it is impossible, realistically for the law-abiding citizen to obtain a Concealed Carry permit in the territory. They are a "may issue" as opposed to a "shall issue" jurisdiction. You would have to be a relative of the Governor to get a CC Permit and then it's still problematical.

Personally?? I got some "real" training and got good and defensive with a knife, purchased in Hawaii -- now that's eminently do-able and you might consider it. The Territory has a high crime rate and a lot of it is armed and illegal and deadly --- it figures, ya? (Oh, yes ... get used to hearing "ya" again .... kind of a omnipresent local variant of "yes" ... God, I've been in love with that place ever since I was there as a kid there in the 50's )

Check with Kaneohe MAA or Admin for on-base guidance. I am not suggesting this ... but some people I know have FedEx'ed "unlisted personal packages" to themselves after their PCS "arrival" in the Territory. American ingenuity and all , but let the buyer beware ....

Some links you might want to check for general starters:

1. Firearms Laws in Hawaii-HPD: http://www.honolulupd.org/info/gunlaw.htm (*edit* other link has died --- this should work)
2. NRA state compendium of state laws: http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/compendium.htm

Hope this helps --- you're gonna love it there again, Web-san, in spite of the bureaucrats and Bruddahs. The Mai'Tai's and sunsets over at Ko'Olina are worth it ...

 

[A4sForever]

Easy.
Reproduction Winchester M97 (aka '1897' or just a 'trench gun') by Norinco. With a 17" bayonet, it's about $300; $250 or so without, but why. You can't go wrong with a shotgun you can slamfire (ie. hold trigger and pump) that has a 17" bayonet.

I will own one of these someday. (attach M1897 Trench Gun)

If you want a look-alike --- the Norinco is just fine --- a little rough around the edges when new --- the action smooths up quickly. And even though it fattens the wallets of the ChiComs --- I guess if UNCLE and the US business establishment can do it --- so can we.

I have a few Winchester M1897's --- two riots and 3 trench --- all military marked --- watch out for fakes!!! It's amazing how the value of vintage military shotguns has taken off in the past 4-5 years. Big bucks, now. I've also got a few Model 12's. All 95% or slightly better. I managed to snare a WW2 Ithaca Model 37 a few years ago --- they are going for 4-5 figures now in good + condition, all correct and original. There's even a "trench" gun --- no heat shield and a bead sight added --- 'scuse me --- that's not a trench gun --- on GunsAmerica for $8000. Ridiculous .....

Heck, even the canvas shell pouches, military marked 12 guage, are going for @ $400-500 when you can find them .... quality, collectible USGI firearms have better appreciation than real estate, stocks, gold, or diamonds. Go figure ....

Anyone seen the Model 22 I'm looking for ???? Is it out yet ??? :sleep_125

 

[feddoc]

As my threadjack continues:


lawman, goober and squeeze: thanks for the info.


How much would the Mossberg set me back? And which vendor would you recommend purchasing from? I guess now I need to get smart on the gun laws in Hawaii. Went to the range quite a few times with some of my buds that had guns out there (the range over by Hanama Bay, whatever it was called), but basically clueless on what the rules were.


Thanks for the thread A4s!!

Try this place: http://gunbroker.com/

I have friends in HI who are gun nuts. If you are interested, I will ask them to recommend a dealer.

One more thing regarding your post about cleaning the shotgun when your daughters date arrives...protocol dictates that you also have a bottle of liquor and a stack of porn mags readily available.

 

[squeeze]

If you want a look-alike --- the Norinco is just fine --- a little rough around the edges when new --- the action smooths up quickly. And even though it fattens the wallets of the ChiComs --- I guess if UNCLE and the US business establishment can do it --- so can we.

Now, if only they'd allow their other firearms back into the US. It makes me cry when I see the deals our neighbors to the north get on M305s (M-14 clone). $315 out the door and it's 100% interchangeable with USGI parts. Is it really that much worse to smuggle FA AKs into LA than it is for their gov't to buy US debt en masse and basically be able to control the US economy? One apparently gets you banned from importing, the other gets you preferred trade status.

 

[A4sForever]

I have friends in HI who are gun nuts. If you are interested, I will ask them to recommend a dealer..

There's almost --- NONE. Maybe only 2-3 on Oahu. The best equipped shop is down between Ala Moana BLVD and Beretainia --- closer to Beretania in the general Ward Center area --- it's in the phone book. Prices are uniformly @ 30% higher for firearms and ammunition than on the mainland.

Bummer .... I went in there .... once .... to check it out and I think they thought I was a 'Narc because I knew too much and asked too many questions.

 

[Gatordev]

And the threadjack continues...
Check around...bought mine in '97 for about $350-375, something like that. Might have to look around. Plenty of dealers w/ it in blue, but not all will have it marinecote. Sportmart (of all places) is pretty good about it. Bought mine from another dealer in Tallahassee as my grad gift to me, was able to "give them an opportunity to beat Sportmart's price." Saved me like $30-40. Money is money.

Sportmart, huh? "Shop smart, shop Sportmart." Wait, that doesn't quite work...

John, when I PCS'ed in, I had a pump-shotgun, a .22 rifle, an old-tyme 19th century double barrel shotgun that was an heirloom, an old .38 revolver (all of which I inhertited), and my trusty M1991A .45. The only issue w/ bringing them in was that they had to be in the first crate, unlocked, and marked for customs to look at. I have no idea if they actually were inspected, but it was ZERO hassle.

Should you want to bring it w/ you from FL on the airplane, it would probably be even easier, based off the phonecons I had w/ the airlines.

And for the record, there's no need to break out your shotgun when I come and visit. It's YOUR daughters that were stalking me! Although I'm sure I'm old hat by now.

 

[A4sForever]

Now, if only they'd allow their other firearms back into the US. ......

Agree ... I had one of the first AKS models the ChiComs imported into the US @ 15 years (?) ago. Regretably, I sold it during the $$$ price run-up to the 1994 Clinton "Assault Weapons" Ban. Too much money to pass up .... gun control in action.

Nice piece, it worked fine, would have lasted a long time .....

 

[Gatordev]

I have an "associate" here where I am that worked in AFSOC for the last few years. You guys would probably drool over what he may or may not have in his possession, post-OIF. But alas, I've said too much.

 

[Brett327]

I have an "associate" here where I am that worked in AFSOC for the last few years. You guys would probably drool over what he may or may not have in his possession, post-OIF. But alas, I've said too much.

Oh yeah? I had an "associate" who decided to bring back a live grenade from OEF on the airlift home. Long story short, dogs found it upon landing at NUW, guy gets arrested, they find significant quantities of C-4 at the guy's house, so they put him in the clink, until he escapes. He remains at large, no doubt being harbored by the Sasquatch in the area.

Brett

 

[Gatordev]

Funny stuff. No, this was nothing like that. Only hardware.