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Repercussions of a DOR?

SticknRudder

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I have two friends that have DOR'd out of the Navy (one in Primary, the other in Advanced)...the only thing they'll say is that they had girlfriend issues (which is why I'm going in single!). Question is, I've looked all over and can't find much information on what exactly a DOR is, besides an entry-level discharge. Is it OTH, carry any repercussions, etc...? Thanks!

SnR
 

squorch2

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It's not a discharge - they're still in. However, they are no longer in flight training and are doing something else in the Navy/Marine Corps.
 

Treetop Flyer

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I have two friends that have DOR'd out of the Navy (one in Primary, the other in Advanced)...the only thing they'll say is that they had girlfriend issues (which is why I'm going in single!). Question is, I've looked all over and can't find much information on what exactly a DOR is, besides an entry-level discharge. Is it OTH, carry any repercussions, etc...? Thanks!

SnR
One repercussion is throwing away an awesome job for some chick that youre probably gonna break up with anyway.

On a more serious note, I'm not sure a DOR always results in a discharge.
 

Hozer

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A Drop on Request begins an immediate administrative process that ceases training immediately. The short version is that the parent command reviews the individuals Aviation Training Jacket, forwards the ATJ and the individual's self-constructed letter indicating the reasons for DOR'ing and any desires to/or not continue naval service. The Wing Commodore personally reviews the package and recommends a course of action possibly ultimately to be determined by CNATRA and certainly Bupers. Considerations include any obligation-to-serve/service school payback, and of course Needs of the Navy. Student Control is your one-stop shop for DOR's.

https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/pubs/folder2/1500.4G_CH2.pdf see page I-3
 

wlawr005

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DOR'd cause of his girlfriend? Guess my chief was right, having a college degree doesn't make you any smarter :)
 
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HeyJoe

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I have two friends that have DOR'd out of the Navy (one in Primary, the other in Advanced)...the only thing they'll say is that they had girlfriend issues (which is why I'm going in single!). Question is, I've looked all over and can't find much information on what exactly a DOR is, besides an entry-level discharge. Is it OTH, carry any repercussions, etc...? Thanks!

SnR
DOR is not just a term for flight school. It exists in OCS venues as well. It means you want to quit of your own volition. One reason AW strongly recommends being able to focus on flight school with all your other personal life in order is borne out in case of your friends. Pretty hard to continue or even start a high maintenance relationship in flight school.
 
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Van

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DOR is not just a term for flight school. It exists in OCS venues as well. It means you want to quit of your own volition. One reason AW strongly recommends being able to focus on flight school with all your other personal life in order is borne out in case of your friends. Pretty hard to continue or even start a high maintenance relationship in flight school.
DOR'd cause of his girlfriend? Guess my chief was right, having a college degree doesn't make you any smarter :)
+1 This "story" should serve as an reminder for anyone with family/girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever to make it perfectly clear that what they are about to do is going to require a lot of dedication to the Navy on their part. It's not going to be a cushy 9-5 and then pamper each other every day after work. Significant time will be spent studying, preparing, etc. If your significant other is high maintenance on a regular basis, your life in flight school will effectively suck until something gives (either flight school or the significant other).

And there is no way I would've let a girlfriend get between me and Naval Aviation. If I got the "It's me or flying" ultimatum..."Don't let the door hit you on the way out!". Fortunately for me, my wife has been 100% with me and encouraging me to succeed ever since I told her I wanted to be a Naval Aviator.
 

rookie7734

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It helps to know why you are in flight school as well. Way back when...I was just starting API, I received a "Dear John" letter from my fiance in Dallas, Texas.

Believe me I was an emotional wreck. But I had vivid memories of my 1st Class cruise on the William C. Law. Every day we were at sea on that "tin can" (destroyer), I was sea sick. It helped reinforce my decision to go aviation.

Even with my relationship on the rocks I had the smarts to "hang in there" and got my wings. That was one of the most satisfying days of my life, even though I had no one with me that day to share the experience.
 

Uncle Fester

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Like Hozer said, DOR is a request to drop out of a training program. Unlike OCS, a DOR does not remove you from the military entirely.

A redes board may decide to boot failures in "initial officer training" programs (flight school and nuke school). That usually happens when the usual destination communities for DOR's (SWO) are either overmanned or are in a "We're not taking out the aviators' trash" mood. In that case, it's an Honorable discharge "for the convenience of the Government".

Anything besides Honorable is a big fucking deal, and is never done except in cases of misconduct. OTH doesn't sound all that bad, but it is.

So, repercussions of DOR'ing? You'll either be a SWO or looking for work in a shit economy. Me, I'd sooner make lattes at Starbucks and live in my parents' basement than be a SWO again. That was also good motivation to study my ass off in the VT's.
 

MAKE VAPES

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DOR'd cause of his girlfriend? Guess my chief was right, having a college degree doesn't make you any smarter :)
The degree doesn't necessarily make one smarter, it increases the propensity for being intelligent.
Everyone should get one!
 

HeyJoe

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DOR'd cause of his girlfriend? Guess my chief was right, having a college degree doesn't make you any smarter :)
The degree doesn't necessarily make one smarter, it increases the propensity for being intelligent.
Everyone should get one!
Better said would be it doesn't guarantee you are any smarter just like having a Driver's License doesn't guarantee you have good judgement behind the wheel or anywhere else.
 

SticknRudder

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Good info, 'specially Uncle Fester...thanks. Guess my buddies had gotten the boot -- I know they never went SWO. This may be a topic for another thread, but why does SWO suck so much (anything not flying is a world of suck anyway), but why that community specifically...
 

HeyJoe

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Good info, 'specially Uncle Fester...thanks. Guess my buddies had gotten the boot -- I know they never went SWO. This may be a topic for another thread, but why does SWO suck so much (anything not flying is a world of suck anyway), but why that community specifically...
That is a topic for another thread. Try this one for starters
 

BACONATOR

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Like Hozer said, DOR is a request to drop out of a training program. Unlike OCS, a DOR does not remove you from the military entirely.

A redes board may decide to boot failures in "initial officer training" programs (flight school and nuke school). That usually happens when the usual destination communities for DOR's (SWO) are either overmanned or are in a "We're not taking out the aviators' trash" mood. In that case, it's an Honorable discharge "for the convenience of the Government".

Anything besides Honorable is a big fucking deal, and is never done except in cases of misconduct. OTH doesn't sound all that bad, but it is.

So, repercussions of DOR'ing? You'll either be a SWO or looking for work in a shit economy. Me, I'd sooner make lattes at Starbucks and live in my parents' basement than be a SWO again. That was also good motivation to study my ass off in the VT's.
Not to be a stickler, but even at OCS, DOR does not remove you from the military. Quite the contrary. If you are BDCP, Nuke, CEC, then you are getting a nice free trip to great lakes and 2 years in the Navy getting yelled at by the people you left at OCS.
 

HeyJoe

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....2 years in the Navy getting yelled at by the people you left at OCS.
Perhaps better said as working for your former classmates at OCS. I doubt there would be many situations where a newly minted Ensign would have a recruit seaman or airman fresh out of Great Lakes directly under them nor have to yell at them (maybe in SWOdom), but not in aviation community as it would take almost two years to even get to a fleet squadron for an aviator and even then, there are LPOs and CPOs in the Chain of Command so that Ensigns don't get into trouble.
 
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