Nss????

[crateofthunder]

Please do not respond if you are going to tell me not to worry about NSS, about how people who worry about NSS don't do as well, or to just try as hard as I can on every flight and it will work out. :icon_rage

I am hoping someone knows of a way to guage how you are doing based on MIF vs. actual points per flight. I have heard of people coming up with all kinds of ratios to determine their approximate NSS, just wondering if anyone out there had a system that seemed to work for them.

Thanks!

 

[zab1001]

just wondering if anyone out there had a system that seemed to work for them.

Yeah, I made an appointment to talk with the STUCON officer. Done and done.

 

[trvsmrtn]

There's a formula at the front of the MPTS book, but it requires numbers that you get from stucon. I think you need a math degree to correctly compute it with the formula though.

 

[zippy]

I know at least one squadron that stopped giving out the projected NSS to studs who weren't complete...

The way we were doing it to get a ball park estimate...Total grades divided by total MIF to get the raw score... find out what raw score is a 50 for the selection week, or use the raw score of a recent completer with a known NSS as a baseline to compare progress...

Disclaimer
-Does not take into account the TGI and how it affects the NSS (appearently more TGIs are bad)
-The raw score to NSS correlation for the squadron changes on a weekly basis
-We only used this method when we were within a couple flights of being done (post xc), and compared to completers who selected within a week or two prior.
-The better you are at WAGs the more accurate your estimations will be.
-This seemed to work for us fairly accurately ( a couple of us got our guesses within 5 pts. of our final NSS) but, this could have been a fluke.

 

[crateofthunder]

zippy,

that is what I have been doing... but what does this ratio translate to...does anyone have any recent numbers, like someone who has tracked recently? Also, being Air Force, my raw score is all that matters because we don't compare with other squadrons, corpus, etc...

 

[Snacks]

Crate, I take it that you really want -38s if you're that worried about NSS. If I remember correctly, Dennis (registered user) had some sort of way of tracking his progression, plus he tracks tomorrow. Shoot him a PM and see if he can help you out.

 

[Bevo16]

Even if you know what your NSS is, there is no way to tell where you are going to fall out in the selection process. Each training squadron grades somewhat differently, and adjustments are made after the final NSS grades come out to adjust for that. There have been students who lost as many as 10 points off their NSS because their squadron had given out grades that were much higher than other squadrons.

The reason that guys with gold wings tell the students not to worry about the numbers is because they know it is a waste of time. Any time that you spend trying to figure out where you are going to end up is time wasted for you and your student control officer.

The track selection process out of primary is the biggest crapshoot in the Navy. It is impossible to game, impossible to predict, and damn near impossible to change when the results come out. Good luck, work hard, and I promise that you will love whatever you end up flying.

 

[crateofthunder]

Bevo,

you obviously did not actually read either of my two posts above... I don't want advice on "working hard" or "not worrying" and I am Air Force which means just my raw NSS goes towards track select, I don't care how other people in other squadrons do...I am just looking for a mathematical way to judge my progress towards my goal!

 

[Brett327]

Bevo,

you obviously did not actually read either of my two posts above... I don't want advice on "working hard" or "not worrying" and I am Air Force which means just my raw NSS goes towards track select, I don't care how other people in other squadrons do...I am just looking for a mathematical way to judge my progress towards my goal!

I'm pretty sure Bevo did read your post, but, like me, decided that your methodology is flawed.

Brett

 

[crateofthunder]

Brett,

once again you have proven yourself to be a wealth of knowledge and help on the questions people want answers to based on your vast experiences from your own pilot training and never do you simply input your own opinions despite being off topic, unhelpful, or unqualified Thanks!!!

 

[Gatordev]

Bevo,

you obviously did not actually read either of my two posts above... I don't want advice on "working hard" or "not worrying" and I am Air Force which means just my raw NSS goes towards track select, I don't care how other people in other squadrons do...I am just looking for a mathematical way to judge my progress towards my goal!

I would be very interested to know if this is true. I'm guessing it's not. I agree, it will get you pretty damn close, so it's obviously something to work with. However, from what you're saying, VT-3 goes unchecked in grades. Basically, this would allow "everyone" (in the AF) from VT-3 to get better grades then all the other AF commands, and therefore allow "better" selection results. By the same token, it could also allow VT-3 to have lower scores, and therefore screw "everyone" (in the AF) from VT-3 come selection. I've got to believe there's still a "last 50 selectees" adjustment, or something to that effect.

Again, in the end, if you figure out the master equation, it should still get you close.

 

[crateofthunder]

gatordev,

we are not being compared to studs from other bases. it is totally different from the navy way of doing stuff. VT-3 has a certain number of spots for each advanced track per year that they give out based on grades. How someone does at Vance, Moody, Columbus, or Laughlin, in no way effects my grades of track select...only my grades and the other AF vt-3 studs' grades are being compared come track select time. So, if my nss gets dropped five points because of being in VT-3, everyone else that selects that week will have their NSS dropped by the same amount.

 

[Gatordev]

Yup, I completely understand what you're saying. I wasn't saying you're compared to other wings/squadrons. What I'm saying is that I'm surprised there's nothing in place to keep AF VT-3 grades from getting inflated/deflated. However, based on what you're saying on how your select works, then I guess it doesn't matter.

 

[ELCID05]

Crateofthunder,

Before you start getting an attitude with Brett and Bevo, maybe you should show a little respect for those people who have been all the way through flight school and are wearing wings (they may know a few things). Im pretty sure that when we were training to become officers we were told that showing respect goes for officers in other branches of the service as well.

 

[Bevo16]

Bevo,

you obviously did not actually read either of my two posts above... I don't want advice on "working hard" or "not worrying" and I am Air Force which means just my raw NSS goes towards track select, I don't care how other people in other squadrons do...I am just looking for a mathematical way to judge my progress towards my goal!

Well, you had better hope that the math stacks up pretty good for you, because you sound like you have a long way to go as a professional officer. Bring that attitude to your fleet squadron, and see how long it takes for them to twist your little head off. You are lucky that they don't give an NSS for attitude, you would be way below the cut line.

You might want to keep your tone to a level that you would use face to face.