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No sleep + flying = bad

Road Program

Hangin' on by the static wicks
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Thank God it was just a sim. After so many days off I had a hard time getting to bed at a decent hour and went into my sim exhausted today. Holy crap was it ugly!

Numbers were playing tricks on me. I was wondering when the hell the LOC would start getting active, only to find that the freq I had dialed in was different than the one in the plate...after checking it twice. Same thing with the charts...28 miles became 38 miles...114.3 became 114.8. And procedures? Ha! Who needs procedures?! We'll get there eventually and have plenty of gas. If anything, I know we always have enough gas to get us to the crash site.

Damn, I need to get some sleep tonight. Oh, wait a sec...I'm not scheduled again until Tuesday at the earliest. Party time!
 

squorch2

he will die without safety brief
pilot
Three words for you - ORM. Granted, it wasn't a flight, but... well, you see the reasons we have it. (and use it!)
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
The scary part is when you're that tired (or sick) and you have to fly. I'm not advocating it, nor saying it should be common, but it happens. It really does help when you learn procedures by the book and you build that habbit pattern.
 

BigIron

Remotely piloted
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
I hated the sims in primary....T-34 sims with the 4 horsemen. I went to Corpus, but I heard Whiting had their favorite horsemen as well. There was no ORM'ing out of sims though....you just got downed.
 

Road Program

Hangin' on by the static wicks
None
I somehow passed the flight, though I did get a below MIF. Lucky for me, the instructor just lumped all my mistakes into one catch-all category so on paper it doesn't look that bad.
 

bunk22

Super *********
pilot
Super Moderator
My old roomate in flight school simply got hammered in Primary. He was one of those who just didn't get it. He also didn't help himself with his lack of sleep. He would study to 0400 then go brief at 0700. I kept telling him that he needed to rest, get plenty of sleep, especially at his experience level. I couldn't imagine going into a brief with 2 hours of sleep. He did better later on by managing his time, study, sleep, fun, etc, finally understanding it was critical to his success. Same goes for everyone. He didn't make it through the program but that's a different story.
 

phrogpilot73

Well-Known Member
bunk22 said:
My old roomate in flight school simply got hammered in Primary. He was one of those who just didn't get it. He also didn't help himself with his lack of sleep. He would study to 0400 then go brief at 0700. I kept telling him that he needed to rest, get plenty of sleep, especially at his experience level. I couldn't imagine going into a brief with 2 hours of sleep. He did better latter on by managing his time, study, sleep, fun, etc, finally understanding it was critical to his success. Same goes for everyone. He didn't make it through the program but that's a different story.
Well rested = well tested. Worked for college, worked for TBS, worked for flight school, worked for the RAG, worked for WTI... Look at it this way - the mind is the most amazing computer ever designed. If you're well rested, you'd be amazed at what it can recall (you may think you're guessing, but your mind is remembering something you read only once. It won't happen if you're tired!). If you're tired, even the basics are tough...
 

Steve Wilkins

Teaching pigs to dance, one pig at a time.
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Super Moderator
Contributor
phrogpilot73 said:
Well rested = well tested. Worked for college, worked for TBS, worked for flight school, worked for the RAG, worked for WTI... Look at it this way - the mind is the most amazing computer ever designed. If you're well rested, you'd be amazed at what it can recall (you may think you're guessing, but your mind is remembering something you read only once. It won't happen if you're tired!). If you're tired, even the basics are tough...
A lesson many a SWO needs to learn and take onboard.
 

Red2

E-2 NFO. WTI. DH.
None
Road Program said:
I somehow passed the flight, though I did get a below MIF. Lucky for me, the instructor just lumped all my mistakes into one catch-all category so on paper it doesn't look that bad.

I've never heard of anyone failing a sim at CTW-6. Those old guys must be nicer than the ones in Whiting or Corpus; either that or they are more forgiving to NFOs. The worst I've heard about was not MIFing the end of block and having to redo it.
 

Road Program

Hangin' on by the static wicks
None
Red, I know a couple people who failed sim flights. One guy DOR'd after primary (didn't get P-3s) and the other guy I know of finished second in his class in primary. Go figure.
 

NeoCortex

Castle Law for all States!!!
pilot
I = Illness
M = Medication

S = Stress
A = Alcohol
F = Fatigue
E = Eating


not saying I would have used it, but hey it's there for a reason. These grades effect the rest of our careers!!
 

Dennis

C-17 Co
I hear they affect our careers as well. Sorry, my biggest pet peeve. Carry on & rest well. Thanks for the extra tips on good sleep. Sometimes it isn't easy to come by reguardless of effort.
 

Fly Navy

...Great Job!
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
Wait till you do that for a flight. Do it once, you'll never do it again.
 

makana

I wake up in the morning & I piss excellence.
pilot
Dennis said:
I hear they affect our careers as well. Sorry, my biggest pet peeve. Carry on & rest well. Thanks for the extra tips on good sleep. Sometimes it isn't easy to come by reguardless of effort.
C'mon Dennis, if you are going to correct someone's spelling or grammar, you should make sure all your ducks are in a row first.
 
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