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Navy Relieves Captain After Carrier Crash
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Jolly Roger
Yes. I am a Pirate.
There goes Capt. Squires career. If it was intentional on the dhows part then it sounds like a dry run for a future attack, if not then my condolences to the family.
That's the Navy way. The CAPT, aircraft commander, etc are always at fault, no matter what. I knew CAPT Squires, cruised with him on the Connie when he was XO in 99. Great guy and a good leader. Plus, he started out as a COD pilot 
He flew C-1's for his first tour. Rare when a COD guy goes that far (though he flew E-2's as well).
He flew C-1's for his first tour. Rare when a COD guy goes that far (though he flew E-2's as well).
bunk22 said:That's the Navy way. The CAPT, aircraft commander, etc are always at fault, no matter what. I knew CAPT Squires, cruised with him on the Connie when he was XO in 99. Great guy and a good leader. Plus, he started out as a COD pilot
I was gonna say it smelled like scape goats
NeoCortex said:
Seems to me that if that dhow had been a terrorist attack and the Kennedy damaged, he'd have been releived. If he had sunk it with gunfire before it could get too close, he'd have been relieved. If it just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (as it may have been in this case) he'd have been relieved.
Aren't we sending a GREAT message to our enemies?
El Cid
You're daisy if you do.
This $hit sucks... some show probably dropped the ball and a good CO gets the axe. I wonder if anyone else went down on this. That would go along way in saying that it wasn't just the CO.
Incidentally though, he may be able to bounce back. If sub-CO's can ram another sub and still move on (2nd USS Greenville CO after fishing boat incident) shouldn't a good CVN CO be able to do the same?
Incidentally though, he may be able to bounce back. If sub-CO's can ram another sub and still move on (2nd USS Greenville CO after fishing boat incident) shouldn't a good CVN CO be able to do the same?
theblakeness said:
It's not scapegoating...the CO is ultimately responsible for the boat. That also means he is ultimately responsible in seeing that his people are trained to handle a situation such as an approaching small boat correctly. While I have heard that dhows are incredibly hard to spot on radar, it doesn't excuse the CV and the escorts from conducting a constant visual scan to prevent small boats from closing with the CV.
El Cid
You're daisy if you do.
Pags said:
While that is true, it still doesn't make sense if these things are intentionally playing chicken because they know we make every effort to move. From what I've heard these things aren't exactly rules of the road friendly. I would like to hear more about the specifics before getting to intrenched in an opinion. Though if Bunk22 says he's a good guy then that's enough for me.
Falcaner
DCA "Don't give up the ship"
They haven't taken any action against any one else on that boat YET. I emphasize yet. As far as were or not it is fair to relive to the CO, I think it is whenever there is loss of life. It sounds like to me someone messed up the CPA (closest point of approach). But I am only guessing and the investigation is still ongoing. As far as where the Captain will be able to continue his career that will be a direct function of what the report says. But I tell you what if I were a 0-6 right now I am not sure that i would want to be the CO of the JFK, apparently they have had 5 CO's in the last two years!
If anyone else goes down with the CO, it would probably be the OOD and maybe someone else who was on watch on the bridge. I bet that OOD will have his/her letter pulled and whoever was on watch with him/her won't get qual'd. If I took command of the ship after an incident like this, I certainly wouldn't be too eager to put those people back up on the bridge.
That being said, those damn dhows are nearly impossible to see at night. They don't show up on radar. They sometimes show up on commercial radar like Furuno, but only intermittenly. They often run without side or masthead lights. I've made two trips to the gulf and I can tell you about the only way to see those suckers at night is by scanning with NVGs (IF you have them on the bridge), which takes up too much time that you need to be devoting to other things.
The thought of a probe for an attack is scary. Can you imagine the possibilities of a Cole attack on a CVN? If not the actual effects, the propaganda returns would be HUGE for terrorists.
That being said, those damn dhows are nearly impossible to see at night. They don't show up on radar. They sometimes show up on commercial radar like Furuno, but only intermittenly. They often run without side or masthead lights. I've made two trips to the gulf and I can tell you about the only way to see those suckers at night is by scanning with NVGs (IF you have them on the bridge), which takes up too much time that you need to be devoting to other things.
The thought of a probe for an attack is scary. Can you imagine the possibilities of a Cole attack on a CVN? If not the actual effects, the propaganda returns would be HUGE for terrorists.
El Cid said:
It sounds like you are referring to the incident that took place in 2002 between the USS Greeneville and the USS Ogden (an amphib, not a sub) in the Arabian Sea. In that incident, the Greeneville was transferring sailors to the Ogden, so the two ships were supposed to be close together. Not exactly what I would term a "ramming" and by no means comparable to the incident involving the JFK.
Alex said:
what happened to the CO of the sub that came up under the japanese fishing boat full of students?
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