Naval Officers being asked to retire

[reapergm]

Good source informed me that Naval Officers (O-3 and under) are being given "incentive" to retire early.... to leave the Navy. Apparently there are too many officers, they are overstocked. Anyone know more about this? Anyone know how or if this will affect the Marines or people getting into OCS?

 

[Crowbar]

Honestly, I think the Navy's offer to its junior officers was something akin to:
"You're out of the Navy. You can keep coming to work, but you won't get paid."

Before the site changed over there was much discussion on the topic but I don't know if it got lost in the switch. I haven't heard any effect it may have had on Marines, though.

 

[zab1001]

Yeah, no one is being "asked" to do anything. Basically if you're a junior officer and you flunk out of flight school, SWO school, or sub school, you no longer have the option of switching communities. Guys with their respective pins aren't safe either, if they fail to meet whatever standards their squadrons or ships have, they're out as well.

The key word here, O-3s and below, is AUGMENT.

 

[nittany03]

Yeah, nobody's being asked to "retire." If anything, they're getting fired (albeit usually with an honorable discharge). If you fail out of nuke school or flight school or don't get your SWO pin, you're done. Do a search and you'll probably find some good gouge and a lot of crazy rumors. Retention is way up and they're trying to draw down so the Navy is chucking out JO's left and right.

 

[RXSilver]

what about supply officers? also, if you were "fired' could you go through OCS and get re-commisioned?

 

[zab1001]

>what about supply officers?

All junior officers. If you have a commission and can't get your ducks in a row, yer out.

>also, if you were "fired' could you go through OCS and get re-commisioned?

Why would they re-commission someone who had already been booted? The answer is no.

 

[F414Guy]

I’m going to speak from an enlisted side so I may be way off. If an officer JO or other wise checks into any command and is told to get these quals, get these jobs done, or supervise any evolution and fails, he or she should be fired. It seems to me that any officer that fails to make the cut does not deserve to be an officer. I honestly wish that the enlisted side were the same way. I work with people that have failed to get qualifications and they are allowed to retire with 20. It simply boggles my mind why anyone would come to work and not try to do his or her best and learn everything possible. The Navy is no different than any other job in the world. Make yourself invaluable by learning everything you possibly can and work your boss out of a job! I have been in for almost 12 years and I have never been given any task that was impossible to complete.

 

[Thisguy]

If an officer JO or other wise checks into any command and is told to get these quals, get these jobs done, or supervise any evolution and fails, he or she should be fired.

Well, as a JO, there's going to be a learning curve. Why else is promotion to LTJG and LT automatic? I agree with the quals part, but for a brand spanking new ensign checking onto a ship (SWOS is no more, and if you failed out of that, you had serious problems), he's not going to know everything.

As for the situation in supply, I read in a NAVADMIN that the supply community manager will endorse any lat transfer package out of supply for LTs and below, because they in particular have way too many JOs.

 

[phrogdriver]

Well, I wouldn't fire a JO/company grade for failing in a supervisory task, unless the failure involved a lack of integrity or courage. Part of any job is making mistakes and learning, within reason.

However, as a o-1 to O-3, your job is to learn your profession, and if you can't do that, sorry, but we can't waste our time forever. If a private company hired you in a trainee position and you were untrainable, they wouldn't just reassign you, they'd can you. Believe me, our problem is not that we give too few chances to succeed in training. If anything, we give too many.