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Making it in the FRS

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HueyHornet75

HueyHornet75

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I didn't know where to post this (Advanced Helos?) or here. Anyway, there was a winging today and i wondered, "is it possible for people to attrite or DOR out of the FRS?" i wonder because you see all these people who have made it to wings, but still have one more hurdle to get to the fleet. can you still trip? and how?
semper fi
 
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Banjo33

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Sure you can attrite from the FRS. I've heard a story about one guy that squeaked his way through Meridian, got to Hornets, and just couldn't cut the mustard (monkey skills just weren't where they needed to be).
 
46Driver

46Driver

"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
I haven't heard of anybody attriting from 53's or 46's but several from the skid FRS. Each step is tougher and unfortunately some don't make it - however they earned their Wings of Gold and get to keep them. Also, some get NPQ'ed late in the program. Good friend of mine got NPQ'ed in jets as he was smoking the program - transitioned to intel and got a TS/SCI clearance, left active duty and earned his masters in International Business while living on the beach in Sydney, Australia. Now he makes $300K a year for the Bank of America. In other words, press on and don't worry about it - as a Naval or Marine officer, there are plenty of areas where you can excel.
 
HueyHornet75

HueyHornet75

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maybe it means they "rate" the wings, like we rate the National Defense. That would be wierd to wear aviator wings and be a SuppO. thanks for the scoop 46Driver
 
46Driver

46Driver

"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
What it means is the "earned" their wings. They went through flight school, passed the tests, go the required number of aboves and graduated. They earned their wings.

Now occasionally, whether it be in the FRS or the fleet, it might be found that this individual is not performing to the level required or perhaps has done something stupid and negligent (flat hatting, etc....) What will happen is they will convene an FFPB (Field Flight Performance Board), review the aviators record, and decide upon one of several things: continue on, no more flying duties but keep your wings, or in the worst case, you lose your wings.

We had several guys go up for FFPB's in my fleet squadrons. What usually happenned is known as HAC and FAC (get your aircraft commander rating and then off to the ground side). Only once did we have to send a pilot to another MOS but even he got to keep his wings (sorry to see it happen - he was a good guy.)

Hope this helps out.
 
airwinger

airwinger

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Huey Hornet,
Don't worry, I'll be a suppo right along with you...then we can tell stories about the good old days in TBS and flight school:)
airwinger
 
phrogdriver

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
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The MEU S-4 my last float NPQed during the AV-8B RAG. I saw his wings and always wondered how an aviator got the logistics job, until I finally broke down and asked.

BTW I did hear someone got booted from the 46 FRS about a year ago.
 
HueyHornet75

HueyHornet75

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good to go, gentlemen. thanks for the scoop.
semper fi
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jarhead

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the only person that got the boot from the Hornet FRS while i was there earned it by getting caught driving while intoxicated ... he was still doing Tower ODO when i left last month ...

semper fi
 
airwinger

airwinger

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Jarhead,
As an intermediate strike guy, I was curious about the RAG as well, how long is it, how is it structured, how many hours do you get, and (if you went to Meridian you'll appreciate the urgency of this), how many simulator hours
semper fi,
Airwinger
 
jarhead

jarhead

UAL CA; retired hinge
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hey bud

it took me 9 months, from first event to my last event, to complete the RAG/FRS at Miramar (i also had a 3 month wait when i first checked in but when i left, guys were waiting a week or two to start up). you'll do a week of classes, then start up the sims (sim guys are pretty cool) ... 8 or 9 sims then you'll fly 4 Fam flights in the jet, then you solo ... you'll do a few section & division day & night hops, then roll into intercepts. that'll complete the first phase of training (called transition phase). you won't fly often in this phase as you are on the backburner of the flight sked (you'll fly once a week maybe) ... next is A-G, everything from circle the wagons to high altitude deliverys, Pops, LAT, and CAS ... then into A-A phase -- BFM, more intercepts, 2v2, 4v4, 4v? etc ... then CQ. once you hit a-g phase, you'll start flying more often, 2-3 sometimes 4 times a week, and most are solo flights after the first phase of training. sims, you'll get'em throughout the syllabus, a lot of them during transition phase ... same with classes.

it's a pretty good time, and for the most part the IP's treat you with respect, as long as you don't show your ass and you put out an effort.

semper fi


Originally posted by airwinger
Jarhead,
As an intermediate strike guy, I was curious about the RAG as well, how long is it, how is it structured, how many hours do you get, and (if you went to Meridian you'll appreciate the urgency of this), how many simulator hours
semper fi,
Airwinger
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