Ah yes...the FA can just take over if things go to shit. Ryanair CEO at it again.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/09/06/ryanair.ceo.comments/index.html?hpt=T2
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/09/06/ryanair.ceo.comments/index.html?hpt=T2
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Is this guy dumb, or just retarded?
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If this becomes the new norm of commercial air travel, buying a private plane might just be worth it if only to ensure you get to where you're going safely. Safety trumps all, so yeah, I'd say this guy is beyond stupid with zero comprehension of what is involved in flying an aircraft.
I don't remember who it was who commented in an earlier thread about how CEOs now are only businessmen and not former pilots, and that it was bad for the industry?
I don't remember who it was who commented in an earlier thread about how CEOs now are only businessmen and not former pilots, and that it was bad for the industry?
...aywkubttod
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This isn't all that unexpected... this is the same guy that suggested retrofitting their fleet to be "standing room only" a couple of years ago (as the article clearly states several times... i've been drinking).
We can only hope. In mean time, note to self: Never fly with that guy!!
He's right, though. Eventually that IS going to happen. Cargo carriers first, then eventually airlines. He didn't just pull this out of his ass--this very idea has been talked about seriously in the industry for a couple of years now. First by the manufacturers, and now by the airlines.
The technology is getting to the point where this is going to soon be a viable option. Like it, hate it, or whatever. Those of us who earn our living as meat servos are going to have to come to grips with the fact that we're like the supermarket checkout clerks--there's still a need for some, but not as many as there used to be, and a machine can do most of our job.
The technology is getting to the point where this is going to soon be a viable option. Like it, hate it, or whatever. Those of us who earn our living as meat servos are going to have to come to grips with the fact that we're like the supermarket checkout clerks--there's still a need for some, but not as many as there used to be, and a machine can do most of our job.
Nah.... they'll just pay a "highly recommended" regional dude or a really disturbed gay flight attendant be the back up plan. In either case- I don't want to be on THAT airline- ever.
Eventually people will choose an airline based upon the experience of the crew rather than price, at least here in the US. It will only take three or four significant "one pilot" incidents to correct that line of thinking. The Billy Mays/Airline Owner marketing stuff is just that, marketing.
Eventually people will choose an airline based upon the experience of the crew rather than price, at least here in the US. It will only take three or four significant "one pilot" incidents to correct that line of thinking. The Billy Mays/Airline Owner marketing stuff is just that, marketing.
From what I understand the technology's been there for a long time...a while back I spoke with a training captain who used to fly for CX and he told me about how the L1011 went on a demosntration flight entirely utilizing autopilot (pushback to arrival). I'm of the belief that people like seeing a pilot up front if for no other reason then to point the finger at someone when it all hits the fan.
As for O'Leary, the guy's a professional jackass who loves riling people's feathers and telling his customers to go screw 'emselves
I'm not in favor of this. At least not at this time. Partly because I like flying, and I want pilot jobs out there for me and my buddies. Partly because the whole automation is not quite where it should be for this, just yet. It will be though, and guys can throw up the safety punk card all they want and it won't change anything. I've had a lot of inflight EPs (see my aircraft), and I don't want to sell pilots short in this regard. However, at some point the computers will have us beat there, too. There will be an algorithm that can do a landing with partial hyds and failed control surfaces, or whatever EP, better than a pilot. I hate to say it, but it's true. We don't have elevator operators anymore, either.
At some point, some years from now, the discussion will be whether ANY pilots are required up front. Someone will be, if only to have someone to blame/reinflate Otto.
At some point, some years from now, the discussion will be whether ANY pilots are required up front. Someone will be, if only to have someone to blame/reinflate Otto.
You're their target demographic, then.
O'Leary's goal is eventually to build an enormous f-g cannon and charge a flat $5 a pop to shoot passengers anywhere in Europe, direct, no stops.
Except how many times do you see a backup on the self checkout lane because somebody needs help with a coupon or their produce item? Self-checkout has been around for awhile but you still need somebody there to assist when the machine can't process the order.
I don't see pilots losing jobs to Otto or George any time soon.
Do agree that at some point the programming will support it, but identifying and programming the code for all possible scenarios is impossible. Remember that line in NATOPS about pilot judgement superseding everything else? Automation has no room for judgement to deviate from a procedure to deal with an unforseen problem.
That's why there will be one pilot, at least on pax flights, for a long time. He's there to back up Otto/HAL/Skynet/evil robot overlords. Eventually he'll be gone too, though, albeit in many years. Even the judgment part will probably be decoupled from the cockpit, though--with the right comms and telemetry that EP can be performed by a crew on the ground in Chicago (or perhaps in a call center in Mumbai). One crew could provide its expert judgment to 10 aircraft at once!
I'm not saying it's a good thing. I don't know how close we are to this. I'd say that cargo operators will go to single-pilot for trans-ocean flights as soon as the FAA and ICAO allow it.
It's a brave new world.
Actually, gravity keeps you moving, the pavement is what guarantees the stop!
Concrete poisoning is a bitch.
Quote from the article:
"If the pilot has an emergency, he rings the bell, he calls her in," O'Leary told the magazine. "She could take over."
What if the emergency is that the pilot passed out? Will they be hooked up to life sign monitoring devices to automatically alert the "flight attendant" upon pilot incapacitation? Will the cockpit door automatically unlock at that point? I get that technology allows us to do this. That doesn't mean it is wise to do. It is probably inevitable though.
Here is how I think it will evolve - into a cycle. At some point it will be approved to have a single pilot. The airline that jumps on it first will be cheaper and gain market share. Other airlines may do it also, but some will promote their two pilot system. Inevitably there will be a single pilot crash with hundreds of passengers. If it was because there was only one pilot who was incapacitated and the NTSB figures it out people will flock to the two pilot airlines ... for a time. Then they will forget again and go the cheaper route and the cycle will continue.
"If the pilot has an emergency, he rings the bell, he calls her in," O'Leary told the magazine. "She could take over."
What if the emergency is that the pilot passed out? Will they be hooked up to life sign monitoring devices to automatically alert the "flight attendant" upon pilot incapacitation? Will the cockpit door automatically unlock at that point? I get that technology allows us to do this. That doesn't mean it is wise to do. It is probably inevitable though.
Here is how I think it will evolve - into a cycle. At some point it will be approved to have a single pilot. The airline that jumps on it first will be cheaper and gain market share. Other airlines may do it also, but some will promote their two pilot system. Inevitably there will be a single pilot crash with hundreds of passengers. If it was because there was only one pilot who was incapacitated and the NTSB figures it out people will flock to the two pilot airlines ... for a time. Then they will forget again and go the cheaper route and the cycle will continue.