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helo-->jets conversion, and other ?'s.

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dividebyzero

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Just out of curiosity...

I remembered reading that if you do helo's for X amount of time, down the line you can apply to retrain to jets.

Is that correct, if so, how long after your initial assignment would that be possible?

Does retraining come with an additional service obligation?

Also, what are the primary conus bases for helos?

What, if any, PCS opportunities are there OCONUS for all naval aviation and for what platforms? (Rota comes to mind...)

It doesn't seem like there's many, especially for masochists like me who actually *want* to go to Korea...are there any joint af/navy bases OCONUS that are possible PCS opportunities that I'm just missing??
 

Borncreole

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We had a guy at my last squadron convert from helos to prop he did it after his first shore duty, about 8 years in (2 for school/3sea/3shore)
 

phrogdriver

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Conversion is possible after a successful tour, usu about 3-4 years after flight school. The number of slots varies. In the USMC, it's about 2 a year. There is a 4 year service commitment AFTER the FRS for the Marine program. I think its the same in the Navy. The Navy had zero transitions last year, though.
 

Gatordev

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There's little to no transitions for the Navy right now due to the S-3 going away. "They" need to find room for all the Hoover pilots, so that takes away slots for the helo guys. There was a guy here that was trying to do it, but at the moment, it just isn't happening.
 

dividebyzero

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Sigh...I guess it does make sense now, considering that the S-3 is going away.

Granted, I would love to be a Naval Aviator (or an Aviator, period), and wouldn't mind helos, it's not something I'd want to make a permanent career out of, not to say anything against the community.

Anyway, any insight as to possible OCONUS PCS locations for sea and/or shore? I apologize in advance if I'm asking a redundant question, and if there's a website I can be directed to (didn't find anything specific on the community managers website), I'd appreciate it.
 

phrogdriver

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Over half of Navy pilots are helo bubbas, and it's only going up. By "up" I mean to 75% or so. With the S-3 and a significant percentage of P-3s going away, helos are picking up the slack. Given that helos all have 2 pilots, you do the math. So, if you want to fly in the Navy, you should at least be comfortable with the idea of flying helos.
 

Flash

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As the others have said, you can transition from one platform to another. I transitioned from EP-3E's to EA-6B's 3 years ago. You incur a five year commitment at the end of your training, the FRS (they changed it from 2 1/2 years right befroe I did it). You incur 2 years if you fail, and some people do unfortunately. It is not an easy or hard process.

You need 3 things to transition
1-A letter stating why you want to transition, what your primary and secondary choices are and your qualifications are.
2- To be physically qualified (some people are qualified only for P-3's/Helo's).
3- A letter from you CO recommending you for the transition. This is the hardest to get. A lot of CO's take a very dim view to someone who wants to leave their community. My CO was great and supported me all the way, I have known some that have shot down applications.

You then go to a board that looks at your application and decides whether or not you transition. I was told by my XO, a transition from helos to EP-3's, that it is more like the 2 detailers get together and make a recommendation to the board that is almost always taken. They see if your year group in your original community has enough people and if the one you are going to has enough room. After that you are sent to training, which differs on which platform you go to. I was sent VT-86, the advanced training squadron for NFO's and then on to the Prowler FRS.

The Navy usually has 2 transtion boards a year and they select around 10-20 people for each board, both Pilot and NFO. Usually 80-90% pilot, not too many NFO's. The last board was in Jan 2002, they have cancelled the last few bacause of the S-3 sundown.

There is a limited time in which you can transition. You have to be fuly qualified in the aircraft you are transitoning from, which takes up to two years from the completion of the FRS. That is about your 5 year point. You have to do it in time so that you can complete a junior officer tour in your new community, about 2 years. You would have to get selected by the end of your shore tour, about the 8 year point. I have known several guys who have transtioned later but they usually had a connection or two, one was an admirals aide (damn good pilot though).

Some communities are nicer to transtions than others. There are a lot of former helo pilots in Prowlers because they still have a pretty good chance at command. The XO (Executive Officer/second in charge) in my new squadron is a former helo bubba. Some communities are not as nice to transitions, if you are not born and bred then you are not a true xxx pilot.

As for OCONUS sites for the Navy, there is an Air Wing in Atsugi, Japan near Tokyo. It is attached to the USS Kitty Hawk that is in Japan. Ther eis no Naval Aviation in Korea though. Of course, you will OCONUS in any platform but the E-6, it is called deployment.

As for the number of Helo pilots in the Navy, I was suprised to learn that they are only 25% of the pilots in the Navy. Our XO (the former helo guy) worked for the Bureau of Personel and gave us a little slide show on aviation in the Navy and had a pie chart on the makeup of aviators in the Navy. It was something like 25% P-3, 25% Jets, 25% Helo, and the last 25% the rest (for pilot).

The last thing I wanted to say about transitons is that a lot of people who do not get what they want in flight school say they will transition at first. A lot of those guys lose interest after a few years for several reasons though. The main one being they become established in their community and don't to start all over again. I went from being a Mission Commander to a lowly flight student in 2 weeks, the only one with wings in VT-86. It was a little humbling. I know of a lot of guys personally lost interest but a few others who never did. For me, I have not regretted it for a moment. Flying a jet is 10 times better then sitting sideways in a tube staring at a computer screen. Best of luck.
 
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