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Deep State

Please categorize a person who uses the term "deep state" (when not in quotes)

  • Pure Tinfoil Hat

    Votes: 25 36.2%
  • Conspiracy Theorist (light)

    Votes: 19 27.5%
  • I dunno

    Votes: 4 5.8%
  • Enlightened

    Votes: 4 5.8%
  • It's complicated, nuanced, etc.

    Votes: 17 24.6%

  • Total voters
    69

IKE

Nerd Whirler
pilot
So my dad texted me a YouTube video without commenting on it or telling me why he sent it. I told him I stopped watching the second the talking head used the term "deep state."

Video:

In this particular case, the talking head seems to be truly intelligent (2× MS & 1× PhD from MIT), but also seems to be quite the self-promoter (has claimed to have invented email).

I'm curious about the average AWer response to people using "deep state" in commentary.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
Sometimes career civil servants let their personal politics get in the way of doing their job. I guess this is a very recent development in government, I doubt more than about 5-10 years old at the most. Never happened before that.
/sarcasm


It's a valid concept but it's overused these days, just like any other buzzword in politics.
 

Brett327

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Sometimes career civil servants let their personal politics get in the way of doing their job. I guess this is a very recent development in government, I doubt more than about 5-10 years old at the most. Never happened before that.
/sarcasm


It's a valid concept but it's overused these days, just like any other buzzword in politics.
Interesting - that's not at all how I would have defined it. It's more about maintaining the established bureaucratic structures and their power - not about personal partisan political leanings. To that extent, I think there is some truth to it, but this is how I see it, not how the cultists see it.
 

JTS11

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
The term 'Deep State' was traditionally used to describe quasi-democracies like Turkey or Egypt, where if their political leadership got ahead of their skis, they could expect tanks on the presidential grounds courtesy of the Deep State.

It's disturbing that this term has become commonplace in domestic political discussion.
 

FinkUFreaky

Well-Known Member
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The term 'Deep State' was traditionally used to describe quasi-democracies like Turkey or Egypt, where if their political leadership got ahead of their skis, they could expect tanks on the presidential grounds courtesy of the Deep State.

It's disturbing that this term has become commonplace in domestic political discussion.
Is calling the other side cultists (look one post up) less disturbing?
 

nittany03

FUBIJAR
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The term 'Deep State' was traditionally used to describe quasi-democracies like Turkey or Egypt, where if their political leadership got ahead of their skis, they could expect tanks on the presidential grounds courtesy of the Deep State.

It's disturbing that this term has become commonplace in domestic political discussion.
It would be disturbing if that's what it actually meant. This is 2020. Where we take terms like "racist," "socialist," and "deep state" and blow them way beyond their original intended meanings. There's usually some overintellectualized bullshit involved in justifying it, usually involving power structures, oppression, nefarious DC pizza parlors, or some other crap. But all it really is is an attempt to use the shock value of the original word to encompass as many of your political opponents' positions as possible.

That way, you don't have to engage with their ideas to rebut them, just shriek at the top of your lungs and beat your chest like an ape instead.
 

FinkUFreaky

Well-Known Member
pilot
If you exhibit the same behaviors as the followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh or Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, then you're a cultist... and yes, I do find that extremely disturbing.
I would too. To whom do you prescribe these characteristics? Let's be clear, honest, etc. Less obscure.
 

Brett327

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I would too. To whom do you prescribe these characteristics? Let's be clear, honest, etc. Less obscure.
I've been vocal about members of this site who fit that description... and I think you mean ascribe.
 

JTS11

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
If you exhibit the same behaviors as the followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh or Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, then you're a cultist... and yes, I do find that extremely disturbing.
I believe Lafayette Ronald Hubbard was relieved of command of his ship during WW2 for mistakenly firing on a Mexican island off of SoCal on a training mission that went horribly wrong.

Then he went on to great things.
 
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